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Iran 'seizes British-flagged oil tanker'

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    #11
    Originally posted by meridian View Post
    Again, there are no EU sanctions that say that non-EU countries cannot trade with Syria. The sanctions covered by regulatory action by the EU cover economic operators within the EU member states.

    https://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ...01:0032:EN:PDF

    Perhaps, though, if you want to continue with this fallacy, you could produce an alternative regulation?
    Except it was in EU waters, with a destination under sanction.

    British vessels however were in international waters.

    It's not a fallacy; the regulation stands - the EU is obligated to intervene if a vessel is destined to a country under sanction, when in EU waters.

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      #12
      Iran does not give a fook about international laws.

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        #13
        Originally posted by TheGreenBastard View Post
        So again, the ship was intercepted because of EU sanctions.
        Yes there were EU sanctions but they weren't obliged to intercept, they did it at the request of the US.
        I'm alright Jack

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          #14
          Originally posted by BlasterBates View Post
          Yes there were EU sanctions but they weren't obliged to intercept, they did it at the request of the US.
          US asked EU member to obey EU laws...

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            #15
            Originally posted by AtW View Post
            US asked EU member to obey EU laws...
            There have been plenty of shipments of oil to Syria, none of which were stopped.

            The US are using it as a way of squeezing Iran.
            I'm alright Jack

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              #16
              Originally posted by BlasterBates View Post
              There have been plenty of shipments of oil to Syria, none of which were stopped. The US are using it as a way of squeezing Iran.
              Yes none stopped because EU members ignored its own legal obligations.

              It's Iranian who created this mess in Syria (with Russian air support), makes sense to squeeze both.

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                #17
                Originally posted by BlasterBates View Post
                There have been plenty of shipments of oil to Syria, none of which were stopped.

                The US are using it as a way of squeezing Iran.
                Please could you provide evidence showing such ships in EU waters weren't stopped?

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                  #18
                  Hook, line, & sinker...

                  How is it the UK always gets pulled into dirty US wars? Are we that weak and incapable to speak up for ourselves and ignore our US puppet-masters?
                  "Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience". Mark Twain

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by TheGreenBastard View Post
                    Except it was in EU waters, with a destination under sanction.

                    British vessels however were in international waters.

                    It's not a fallacy; the regulation stands - the EU is obligated to intervene if a vessel is destined to a country under sanction, when in EU waters.
                    Originally posted by TheGreenBastard View Post
                    Please could you provide evidence showing such ships in EU waters weren't stopped?
                    Being in EU waters isn’t relevant, and despite you continuing to claim that it is an EU obligation, continuing to claim that doesn’t make it so.

                    The timeline goes something like this:
                    - 2011: EU implements regulations imposing sanctions
                    - 2011 to June 2019: no ships stopped (or at least, none that appear to have set of an international diplomatic incident).
                    - 3rd July 2019: Gibraltar (a U.K. Overseas Territory) enacts their Sanctions Regulations 2019, giving power to designate and detain specific ships.
                    4th July 2019: an Iranian ship in Gibraltar waters is detained by U.K. forces.

                    Gibraltar sanctions laws & Grace 1 designation - EU Sanctions

                    The notice of the seizure was made by the Minister of Gibraltar, where it was explicit that the seizure was under Gibraltar laws.

                    https://www.gibraltarlaws.gov.gi/articles/2019s132.pdf

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                      #20
                      Originally posted by meridian View Post
                      Being in EU waters isn’t relevant, and despite you continuing to claim that it is an EU obligation, continuing to claim that doesn’t make it so.

                      The timeline goes something like this:
                      - 2011: EU implements regulations imposing sanctions
                      - 2011 to June 2019: no ships stopped (or at least, none that appear to have set of an international diplomatic incident).
                      - 3rd July 2019: Gibraltar (a U.K. Overseas Territory) enacts their Sanctions Regulations 2019, giving power to designate and detain specific ships.
                      4th July 2019: an Iranian ship in Gibraltar waters is detained by U.K. forces.

                      Gibraltar sanctions laws & Grace 1 designation - EU Sanctions

                      The notice of the seizure was made by the Minister of Gibraltar, where it was explicit that the seizure was under Gibraltar laws.

                      https://www.gibraltarlaws.gov.gi/articles/2019s132.pdf
                      Your own initial response with EU legislation PDF suggests that it being "EU waters" is very much relevant. You did read it of course?

                      Being in EU waters is irrelevant? I'm not sure your understanding of meratime law is as comprehensive as you think.

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