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Are parts of HMRC institutionally corrupt?

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    Are parts of HMRC institutionally corrupt?

    This is a serious question.

    My experience over the past 10 years indicates that they are prepared to be dishonest to achieve their aims.

    40 years ago some Police Forces were found fitting people up. Officers justified it to themselves on the basis that they were dealing with known criminals (not innocent people). They just didn't have the evidence to nail them, so they falsified and concocted stuff.

    Is this the mindset in parts of HMRC? They are dealing with tax cheats, so the ends justify the means? It's ok to be dishonest because it's in pursuit of the greater good?

    I get the impression that HMRC treat this as a game, where winning is all that matters even if that means using every dirty trick in the book.

    Perhaps the public would support them being dirty cops to catch the bad people.

    Or maybe I'm just paranoid.

    #2
    I'd say you're absolutely not paranoid at all. I'd bet my life corruption is rife at HMRC. It's just 'more Government' really....

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      #3
      Originally posted by More Lamb View Post
      Or maybe I'm just paranoid.
      The question is whether you're being paranoid enough?

      Yes. Probably parts are institutionally corrupt, since its staffed by human beings who don't seem to have much accountability.
      Down with racism. Long live miscegenation!

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        #4
        Originally posted by NotAllThere View Post
        The question is whether you're being paranoid enough?

        Yes. Probably parts are institutionally corrupt, since its staffed by human beings who don't seem to have much accountability.
        whenever human beings gather together for mutual benefit, there is corruption.

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          #5
          I genuinely think so - I think HMRC get huge swathes of leeway because your average PAYE employee doesn't need to interact with them in any kind of depth. My opinion is that they play fast and loose with the law, often enforce what they believe should be the law and not the actual law and I suspect a chunk of it is on the basis of what you state. They're fighting the good fight, stopping tax cheats etc.

          It pains me as a left leaning socialist who is quite happy to pay tax, but as an organisation they are incredibly hard to find accountable and seem to operate with real impunity. The fact their incompetence over IR35 has simply transformed it into something ridiculous says it all

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            #6
            Originally posted by More Lamb View Post
            This is a serious question.

            My experience over the past 10 years indicates that they are prepared to be dishonest to achieve their aims.

            40 years ago some Police Forces were found fitting people up. Officers justified it to themselves on the basis that they were dealing with known criminals (not innocent people). They just didn't have the evidence to nail them, so they falsified and concocted stuff.

            Is this the mindset in parts of HMRC? They are dealing with tax cheats, so the ends justify the means? It's ok to be dishonest because it's in pursuit of the greater good?

            I get the impression that HMRC treat this as a game, where winning is all that matters even if that means using every dirty trick in the book.

            Perhaps the public would support them being dirty cops to catch the bad people.

            Or maybe I'm just paranoid.
            40 years ago some Police Forces were found fitting people up
            it's probably still happening and not only to criminals, but also to the social misfits. In my experience, I've been a biker for 55 years, the police always used intimidation to force their way on individuals and groups - any mod or rocker was automatically singled out for attention, even those quiet law abiding individuals. However, with the advent of the Internet, where info is readily available, they have to be more careful now.

            I personally knew one of these brothers and any casual observer might have judged him as unfit to plea because of his mental age, which was about 6 -


            Brothers freed over 'false evidence': Darvell brothers | The Independent

            However, he was a social nuisance, as was his brother.

            In my opinion, the establishment as a whole is institutionally corrupt. As long as senior police officers, judges, barristers, lawyers and senior civil servants are allowed to be members of secret societies, then government will always be corrupt.
            Last edited by JohntheBike; 11 September 2019, 15:12.

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              #7
              So what's the motive for this "corruption", take a bribe to close tax case or get the tax collected as the law intended?

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                #8
                Originally posted by AtW View Post
                So what's the motive for this "corruption", take a bribe to close tax case or get the tax collected as the law intended?
                it's called the "honours" system.

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                  #9
                  HMRC are not institutionally corrupt, they are institutionally incompetent.

                  The dishonesty and corruption is them trying to cover up their fookups.
                  Scoots still says that Apr 2020 didn't mark the start of a new stock bull market.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by DealorNoDeal View Post
                    HMRC are not institutionally corrupt, they are institutionally incompetent.

                    The dishonesty and corruption is them trying to cover up their fookups.
                    well, yes, agreed.

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