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    Default Why the need to escape from Vietnam using traffickers?

    Genuine but maybe a stupid question: from Vietnam can’t someone just catch a plane to London on a tourist visa and then overstay?

    The press seems almost certain that one of the victims is from Vietnam and paid approx £30,000 to be smuggled to the UK.

    This is terribly sad and even more so if they could have spent a lot less to travel here safely and legally even if the intention was to remain illegally.

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    Maybe they couldn't get a visa? Or don't have a passport?

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    Unable to get a visa.
    Possibly unable to get a passport - Vietnam is still a communist state.
    Promise of far richer life than they have in Vietnam.
    Promise of a far freer life than they have in Vietnam.

    The ones who make it to Britain find the reality is different - prostitution, slavery etc.

    The Sunday Times is saying that they're most - if not all - Vietnamese.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Platypus View Post
    Genuine but maybe a stupid question: from Vietnam can’t someone just catch a plane to London on a tourist visa and then overstay?

    The press seems almost certain that one of the victims is from Vietnam and paid approx £30,000 to be smuggled to the UK.

    This is terribly sad and even more so if they could have spent a lot less to travel here safely and legally even if the intention was to remain illegally.
    They don't pay upfront. The £30k is a debt to the gang that smuggles them over, meaning they are effectively enslaved for life. Where do you think your average Vietnamese teenager/twenty-something is going to find £30k?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mordac View Post
    Where do you think your average Vietnamese teenager/twenty-something is going to find £30k?
    Well I wondered that too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mordac View Post
    They don't pay upfront. The £30k is a debt to the gang that smuggles them over, meaning they are effectively enslaved for life. Where do you think your average Vietnamese teenager/twenty-something is going to find £30k?
    Not strictly true. Quite often the parents will 'pawn' (as it's referred to in Vietnam) their homes to the banks and give this money to their children with the hope that the children will earn significantly more in the UK and send enough to allow the parents to buy back their homes.

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    Does Vietnam have the death penalty? I am hoping one of the victims comes from somewhere that does - then we can can get the perpetrators charged in that country.

    Of course putting them in prison for life would be a far better punishment. But there are so few whole life prison terms in the UK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrilloPad View Post
    Does Vietnam have the death penalty? I am hoping one of the victims comes from somewhere that does - then we can can get the perpetrators charged in that country.

    Of course putting them in prison for life would be a far better punishment. But there are so few whole life prison terms in the UK.
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    Quote Originally Posted by clearedforlanding View Post
    Yes for drug possession. It keeps me in constant fear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by clearedforlanding View Post
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