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Is Corbyn the reason you won't vote Labour?

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    #41
    Originally posted by JohntheBike View Post
    the problem with share ownership by the wider population is that at some point, most will cash in their shares because they need the money. How many private individuals still retain any of the shares that they received when the building societies demutualised? Not many I bet.
    Indeed - the whole concept of this seems so capitalist that I cannot see why Labour re even interested.

    Unless they think they will somehow be seizing the means of production for the common man...

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      #42
      Originally posted by JohntheBike View Post
      the problem with share ownership by the wider population is that at some point, most will cash in their shares because they need the money.

      Whys that a problem? If they need the money, then they need the money and if they can sell off some asset that the state has helped them acquire to help them at a point in their lives when they need some extra financial firepower then great. Accurately targetted state assistance I'd say.

      Most people make the best choices for themselves whenever they can. You could always limit the amount that could be sold within a year to a %age. Or limit sales to those >25 or whatever.

      However, proposing an alternative solution to the Labour plan wasn't the point of my post. It was to point out that the Labour policy is something that would only help a very, very small %age of the working-population, at great expense and with international reputational damage associated.


      Let's look at another one: Free Broadband For All. Fantastic, eye-catching, what's not to like? Well a lot if you work for one of the many other broadband suppliers. And what if you don't want broadband? You are paying for it anyway. And if you want but cannot afford BB, then you probably cannot afford the ipad/laptop to actually use it.

      And if you are a young person, starting out .... then you'd probably prefer free mobile-broadband, not a boring old landline.

      So a simpler alternative is to raise the tax-threshold by 30 quid a month. Then if you want to spend that on BB you can. If you want to spend it on your mobile-phone you can. If you want to use the extra money to buy some kids shoes ( or save up for a laptop ) you can. And if you don't like technology you can spend it on stamps to write letters of complaint to the Telegraph moaning about how everyone is glued to their phones you can.

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        #43
        So, is it fair to say, if the Tories get a majority, it will all be Corbyn's fault?

        I suppose it's a bit too late for Labour to ditch him now.
        Scoots still says that Apr 2020 didn't mark the start of a new stock bull market.

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          #44
          Originally posted by tomtomagain View Post
          Whys that a problem? If they need the money, then they need the money and if they can sell off some asset that the state has helped them acquire to help them at a point in their lives when they need some extra financial firepower then great. Accurately targetted state assistance I'd say.

          Most people make the best choices for themselves whenever they can. You could always limit the amount that could be sold within a year to a %age. Or limit sales to those >25 or whatever.

          However, proposing an alternative solution to the Labour plan wasn't the point of my post. It was to point out that the Labour policy is something that would only help a very, very small %age of the working-population, at great expense and with international reputational damage associated.


          Let's look at another one: Free Broadband For All. Fantastic, eye-catching, what's not to like? Well a lot if you work for one of the many other broadband suppliers. And what if you don't want broadband? You are paying for it anyway. And if you want but cannot afford BB, then you probably cannot afford the ipad/laptop to actually use it.

          And if you are a young person, starting out .... then you'd probably prefer free mobile-broadband, not a boring old landline.

          So a simpler alternative is to raise the tax-threshold by 30 quid a month. Then if you want to spend that on BB you can. If you want to spend it on your mobile-phone you can. If you want to use the extra money to buy some kids shoes ( or save up for a laptop ) you can. And if you don't like technology you can spend it on stamps to write letters of complaint to the Telegraph moaning about how everyone is glued to their phones you can.
          Whys that a problem?
          I never said it was. I'm just pointing out that Labour's reason's for suggesting it, i.e. more worker control, as I understand it, wouldn't be fulfilled.

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            #45
            Originally posted by JohntheBike View Post
            I never said it was. I'm just pointing out that Labour's reason's for suggesting it, i.e. more worker control, as I understand it, wouldn't be fulfilled.
            And they would've got away with it too if it wasn't for those pesky kids!
            Old Greg - In search of acceptance since Mar 2007. Hoping each leap will be his last.

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              #46
              Just been listening to a convinced Korbinista on R4 WAO who's decided to stand in the fight to replace the useful idiot.

              Demented would be a kind description.

              Now's the time to pay your £25 so you can vote for the daft bint to ensure a suitable continuation of lost elections.

              Just sayin'.

              £25 sounds like a bargain to me.
              When the fun stops, STOP.

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                #47
                Originally posted by DoctorStrangelove View Post
                Just been listening to a convinced Korbinista on R4 WAO who's decided to stand in the fight to replace the useful idiot.

                Demented would be a kind description.

                Now's the time to pay your £25 so you can vote for the daft bint to ensure a suitable continuation of lost elections.

                Just sayin'.

                £25 sounds like a bargain to me.
                Long-Bailey?
                Originally posted by Stevie Wonder Boy
                I can't see any way to do it can you please advise?

                I want my account deleted and all of my information removed, I want to invoke my right to be forgotten.

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                  #48
                  Originally posted by SimonMac View Post
                  Long-Bailey?
                  My first thought too.

                  She's supported by Richard Burgon who is gunning for the deputy role. Between them, they could make the Labour party even less electable
                  I am what I drink, and I'm a bitter man

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                    #49
                    Originally posted by DoctorStrangelove View Post
                    Just been listening to a convinced Korbinista on R4 WAO who's decided to stand in the fight to replace the useful idiot.

                    Demented would be a kind description.

                    Now's the time to pay your £25 so you can vote for the daft bint to ensure a suitable continuation of lost elections.

                    Just sayin'.

                    £25 sounds like a bargain to me.
                    I'm a full member just for that. I joined just after the election as I expected them to pull up the drawbridge. I'm surprised they didn't tbh but I don't regret paying full whack.
                    "I can put any old tat in my sig, put quotes around it and attribute to someone of whom I've heard, to make it sound true."
                    - Voltaire/Benjamin Franklin/Anne Frank...

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                      #50
                      Originally posted by DoctorStrangelove View Post
                      Just been listening to a convinced Korbinista on R4 WAO who's decided to stand in the fight to replace the useful idiot.

                      Demented would be a kind description.

                      Now's the time to pay your £25 so you can vote for the daft bint to ensure a suitable continuation of lost elections.

                      Just sayin'.

                      £25 sounds like a bargain to me.
                      Twat
                      Vote Corbyn ! Save this country !

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