Yeeessss!! Let the fun begin.

[Zigenare]

The only thing 'England' is scared of is 5 million Scots deserting their sinking independent ship and turning up en masse in towns and cities which won't be able to cope.
We'll never be 'alone' while we've still got Wales and Gibraltar...

Shoot 'em at the border.

There's more fun to be had depriving the Scots of what they want rather than letting them have indyref2 and suffering the indignity of yet another defeat.

[BR14]

Shoot 'em at the border.

you'd have tae see them coming for that, craphat!

dream on.

[Mordac]

Shoot 'em at the border.

There's more fun to be had depriving the Scots of what they want rather than letting them have indyref2 and suffering the indignity of yet another defeat.

Nice to see your time in the Diplomatic Service wasn't completely wasted...

[Troll]

I wouldn't know, I am an immigrant

FTFY

[rogerfederer]

Of course, we could tweak your statement above to ....



I'm pretty sure that 45% < 48% < 52% so there is no longer a majority in the UK to support Brexit If the Tories fook this up, they will pay in future years.

They stated that a large material change of circumstances would be required to justify another independence referendum. The way brexit has been handled and the disingenuousness of the yet-to-appear trade deals suggest that a lot of people have moved from 'no' to 'yes', and that's across Scotland, not just the central belt.

Compared to brexit people are open to talking about independence and the implications of it. Whilst holidaying around Scotland in summer quite a few locals and business owners brought it up, as the farmers in particular are worried about brexit, food prices and lots of other topics.

My own opinion has shifted to:
Scotland can have any number of parties who are likely to need to cooperate in coalitions as PR (proportional representation) should result in difficulty having one party gain a majority. The SNP have gained a majority before, which is really quite impressive given the high number of votes required to do so in a Scottish election.

Many Scottish Tories - often called 'conservative with a small c' up here - would like a new right of centre party up in Scotland and it's a point not often mentioned, because any new party is unlikely to be the current ineffectual shower of Scottish Tories. Scottish Conservativism is very different from the current English crop that seems hell bent on a right wing nationalism that focuses on the negatives rather than the progressive benefits of England.

A new host of party names, perhaps dropping some of the old ones, with fresh faces and new ideas seems like a great idea to me. A centre left to centre right with all options in between could ensure stability for Scotland and maintenance of the progressive values that do really separate it from England; but this is understandable as England has ten times as many people as Scotland. We're just different and it's ok to admit this; Scottish independence isn't really about England at all, it's about Scotland and what we imagine of ourselves for the future. England and Wales go the opposite way every so often for quite a while and logically it doesn't make sense to tolerate that forever when Scotland doesn't vote along with this.

Regardless, people are keen now to potentially have another say next year or the year after but on the proviso that it isn't a repeat of the brexit vote and, as such, should require a minimum 60% (ideally 70%) 'yes' in order to achieve independence.

[malvolio]

They stated that a large material change of circumstances would be required to justify another independence referendum. The way brexit has been handled and the disingenuousness of the yet-to-appear trade deals suggest that a lot of people have moved from 'no' to 'yes', and that's across Scotland, not just the central belt.

Compared to brexit people are open to talking about independence and the implications of it. Whilst holidaying around Scotland in summer quite a few locals and business owners brought it up, as the farmers in particular are worried about brexit, food prices and lots of other topics.

My own opinion has shifted to:
Scotland can have any number of parties who are likely to need to cooperate in coalitions as PR (proportional representation) should result in difficulty having one party gain a majority. The SNP have gained a majority before, which is really quite impressive given the high number of votes required to do so in a Scottish election.

Many Scottish Tories - often called 'conservative with a small c' up here - would like a new right of centre party up in Scotland and it's a point not often mentioned, because any new party is unlikely to be the current ineffectual shower of Scottish Tories. Scottish Conservativism is very different from the current English crop that seems hell bent on a right wing nationalism that focuses on the negatives rather than the progressive benefits of England.

A new host of party names, perhaps dropping some of the old ones, with fresh faces and new ideas seems like a great idea to me. A centre left to centre right with all options in between could ensure stability for Scotland and maintenance of the progressive values that do really separate it from England; but this is understandable as England has ten times as many people as Scotland. We're just different and it's ok to admit this; Scottish independence isn't really about England at all, it's about Scotland and what we imagine of ourselves for the future. England and Wales go the opposite way every so often for quite a while and logically it doesn't make sense to tolerate that forever when Scotland doesn't vote along with this.

Regardless, people are keen now to potentially have another say next year or the year after but on the proviso that it isn't a repeat of the brexit vote and, as such, should require a minimum 60% (ideally 70%) 'yes' in order to achieve independence.

All well and good, but SNP was elected with 45% of the vote (roughly the same as the last indyref result) and more than a few SNP voters are apparently saying they don't actually want independence anyway; presumably those who won't vote Tory or LD and didn't like Corbyn. The case for a majority desire to split from the UK remains unproven. You don't need a full blown referendum for that, merely some market research, which doesn't need Westminster's approval. You have to wonder, therefore, if the referendum demand is hiding some deeper objective...

Also Scotland has some serious problems to resolve around health care, schooling and the like that the current minority government are cheerfully ignoring in favour of their dreams of independence.

And, of course, the fantasy economics dreamed up by Salmond to justify independence remain just that, a fantasy.

While you have to recognise and applaud the Scots' fierce determination not to be seen as a part of England (being Welsh I'm full in agreement with that!), I think you need a dose of reality before getting bogged down again in the independence argument. What you risk is not independence, but a tightening of devolution such that you lose the independence you already have.

[Unix]

While you have to recognise and applaud the Scots' fierce determination not to be seen as a part of England (being Welsh I'm full in agreement with that!), I think you need a dose of reality before getting bogged down again in the independence argument. What you risk is not independence, but a tightening of devolution such that you lose the independence you already have.

Does this look like a people who will let Boris deny them independence? If denied the SRA will make the IRA look like Northernladuk.

FREEDOM!!!!

https://old.reddit.com/r/ukpolitics/...ef_source=link

[Old Greg]

Does this look like a people who will let Boris deny them independence? If denied the SRA will make the IRA look like Northernladuk.

FREEDOM!!!!

https://old.reddit.com/r/ukpolitics/...ef_source=link

Scottish nationalists tried to forge Nazi alliance | UK news | The Guardian

[Unix]

Scottish nationalists tried to forge Nazi alliance | UK news | The Guardian

I'll just leave this here.

[eek]

I'll just leave this here.

There is a slight difference between trying to avoid a war in 1938 and actively encouraging the enemy to invade during the middle of the war that followed (1943).