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    Quote Originally Posted by vwdan View Post
    Uhm, pretty sure the 737NG has a fantastic safety record.

    What do you mean "another one"?
    It does indeed. Scotty is piss poor at basic statistics though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MasterBait View Post
    If the video is confirmed genuine and the plane did catch fire in flight, then it’s possible it was a cargo fire rather than an aircraft fault, along the lines of ValuJet Flight 592 - Wikipedia.

    Quote Originally Posted by Paddy View Post
    Video footage shows one engine exploding in mid-air just after takeoff. It then plummeted out of control. My bet is on a re-fueling issue at Tehran.
    It’s notoriously difficult to interpret video of an aircraft in flight, especially at night, so I’d be cautious about describing video as showing “an engine exploding” rather than “a fire suddenly becoming visible somewhere around what appears to be the centre of the plane”.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NickFitz View Post
    If the video is confirmed genuine and the plane did catch fire in flight, then it’s possible it was a cargo fire rather than an aircraft fault, along the lines of ValuJet Flight 592 - Wikipedia.



    It’s notoriously difficult to interpret video of an aircraft in flight, especially at night, so I’d be cautious about describing video as showing “an engine exploding” rather than “a fire suddenly becoming visible somewhere around what appears to be the centre of the plane”.
    The "engine failure" hypothesis is also unlikely. Planes don't fall out of the sky due to a single engine failure - they're designed to cope with that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sasguru View Post
    The "engine failure" hypothesis is also unlikely. Planes don't fall out of the sky due to a single engine failure - they're designed to cope with that.
    "Engine failure" yes; catastrophic "engine failure" no.

    Let's wait for the details to emerge before rushing to judgement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sasguru View Post
    The "engine failure" hypothesis is also unlikely. Planes don't fall out of the sky due to a single engine failure - they're designed to cope with that.
    Untrue at take off. If one engine (or one set of engines) fails at full throttle just after take off, it's very difficult to cope with. e.g. AF4590
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    Quote Originally Posted by wattaj View Post
    "Engine failure" yes; catastrophic "engine failure" no.

    Let's wait for the details to emerge before rushing to judgement.
    You mean the engine exploding in such a way that it causes a problem with hull integrity and/or controls. Possible I suppose, but rare, surely?
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    Quote Originally Posted by WTFH View Post
    Untrue at take off. If one engine (or one set of engines) fails at full throttle just after take off, it's very difficult to cope with. e.g. AF4590
    Apparently not according to this (see last para):

    "The take-off weight will have been limited to ensure it is safe to continue take-off with one engine inoperative after having accelerated to V1 with all engines operating. "

    Engine failure on take-off - Wikipedia
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    Boeing's safety record is terrible, no wonder their CEO stepped down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unix View Post
    Boeing's safety record is terrible, no wonder their CEO stepped down.
    Nonsense. The MAX shouldn't have been certified, but other than that Boeing's safety record, like Airbus, is excellent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sasguru View Post
    Apparently not according to this (see last para):

    "The take-off weight will have been limited to ensure it is safe to continue take-off with one engine inoperative after having accelerated to V1 with all engines operating. "

    Engine failure on take-off - Wikipedia

    As highlighted, that is based on all engines operating normally at V1. If, at V1, one of the engines is not operating normally and the pilot is aware, then they can still stop the plane on the ground. After they rotate, then the only way to stop on the ground is via landing.
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