A Ukrainian Boeing-737 crashes killing all onboard

[GhostofTarbera]

Ukraine now not supporting technical problem statement it made 1st - must have had a phone call from trump to ask to blame Iran or Russia


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[vetran]

Depends who was on the plane and what they had with them I suppose

Both Iran and Ukraine both super quick to call an accident while plane still burning on the ground makes it even more suspicious


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Maybe it accidentally collided with a ballistic missile meant for Donny?

[WTFH]

Maybe it accidentally collided with a ballistic missile meant for Donny?

Why would Vlad want to hit Donny?

[vwdan]

As highlighted, that is based on all engines operating normally at V1. If, at V1, one of the engines is not operating normally and the pilot is aware, then they can still stop the plane on the ground. After they rotate, then the only way to stop on the ground is via landing.

V1 is literally a committal speed - it's the speed at which you do NOT stop. At or beyond V1 you take any problems into the air and deal with them there. (Or take the decision that crashing off the runway is a better option)

V2 is the speed where 2 engines will get you a normal climb speed (in a commercial airliner anyway - a lot of twin props will, indeed, mostly fly you to the crash site) and will usually be very close to the rotate speed.

I'm not a commercial pilot so it's not really something I pay much attention to, but while I suspect there is a point between V1 and V2 where an engine failure would be a pain, but given the distance this aircraft travelled and how high it was it should've been well above V2 and plenty capable of sustaining flight with a single engine had it had a "normal" failure.

[sasguru]

As highlighted, that is based on all engines operating normally at V1. If, at V1, one of the engines is not operating normally and the pilot is aware, then they can still stop the plane on the ground. After they rotate, then the only way to stop on the ground is via landing.

Yes but its perfectly possible to take off and land with one engine having failed immediately after V1 (talking about commercial jets).
AFAIK pilots practice that scenario in the sim all the time.
Provided that engine doesn't cause damage to anything else.

[Zigenare]

Yes but its perfectly possible to take off and land with one engine having failed immediately after V1 (talking about commercial jets).
AFAIK pilots practice that scenario in the sim all the time.
Provided that engine doesn't cause damage to anything else.

Oh right, that'll be it then.

It's OK chaps, sasguru has solved it. It was the gremlins wot done it!

[Paddy]

The "engine failure" hypothesis is also unlikely. Planes don't fall out of the sky due to a single engine failure - they're designed to cope with that.

If an engine explodes and damages the control surfaces or damages the controls, it will fall out of the sky. However, it seems that in this case, it was only at about 2,000 ft,

[sasguru]

Oh right, that'll be it then.

It's OK chaps, sasguru has solved it. It was the gremlins wot done it!

Fook off yer thick twat. We're talking generally here ...

[Unix]

Nonsense. The MAX shouldn't have been certified, but other than that Boeing's safety record, like Airbus, is excellent.

Tell that to the families of the dead passengers of the three recent 737 crashes.

[sasguru]

Tell that to the families of the dead passengers of the three recent 737 crashes.

You're suffering from a serious logic deficit.
It would be a good exercise for you to work out where you're going wrong.