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A Ukrainian Boeing-737 crashes killing all onboard
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Originally posted by vwdan View PostWhat point are you trying to make - we all know the MAX was a disaster, that's why they're all grounded. But outside of that, Boeings safety record is excellent - and in particular the 737NG has a great record and reputation.
For the purposes of the discussion, the MAX is immaterial
And it was two MAX crashes which I assume you were trying to reference.
Here go educate yourself . Lot's to digest
List of accidents and incidents involving the Boeing 737 - WikipediaComment
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Originally posted by sasguru View PostFook off yer thick twat. We're talking generally here ...Old Greg - In search of acceptance since Mar 2007. Hoping each leap will be his last.Comment
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Originally posted by scooterscot View PostDeep breath. And out. Calm.
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Not quite sure where you get the idea that I'm not "calm" from.Comment
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Originally posted by Unix View PostHere go educate yourself . Lot's to digest
List of accidents and incidents involving the Boeing 737 - Wikipedia
"The 737 series is the best-selling commercial jetliner in history"Comment
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Originally posted by vwdan View PostSure, we're barely even discussing the flight at this point. But in relation to "engine failures", WTFH's point was fundamentally wrong.
And accidents tend to be what happens when things fall outside the expected or prepared for cases.…Maybe we ain’t that young anymoreComment
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Originally posted by WTFH View PostAre you saying that a twin engined plane having an undetected engine failure before V1 will still always be able to take off safely? Because fundamentally, I don't believe that to be 100% the case.
And accidents tend to be what happens when things fall outside the expected or prepared for cases.
I completely take your second point (and you'll note that at no point in this thread have I speculated about this flight). And, of course, engine failures can be nasty events which can damage other things and no matter the training, sometimes people don't react properly in the moment.
But, in principle, yes - the idea is that an engine failure at or beyond V1 should not pose a major issue. Let me see if I can find the exact regs.
Edit: I've found the test for EASA, but I'm not sure how to find the actual regulation it refers to:
https://www.easa.europa.eu/sites/def...ed-version.pdf
Search for "Control Following Engine Failure"Last edited by vwdan; 8 January 2020, 12:50.Comment
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Originally posted by vwdan View PostAll twin commercial airliners will have had to demonstrate that they can handle losing an engine at any stage of flight after V1 (Well, Western ones anyway...).
I completely take your second point (and you'll note that at no point in this thread have I speculated about this flight). And, of course, engine failures can be nasty events which can damage other things and no matter the training, sometimes people don't react properly in the moment.
But, in principle, yes - the idea is that an engine failure at or beyond V1 should not pose a major issue. Let me see if I can find the exact regs.
Edit: I've found the test for EASA, but I'm not sure how to find the actual regulation it refers to:
https://www.easa.europa.eu/sites/def...ed-version.pdf
Search for "Control Following Engine Failure"
Yes, I agree, an engine failure at or beyond V1 should not pose a major issue, but if it occurred before V1 and was either undetected or ignored, then it's possible that take-off could be attempted, even if the plane did not have power to get out of the initial climb.…Maybe we ain’t that young anymoreComment
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Originally posted by WTFH View PostYes, I agree, an engine failure at or beyond V1 should not pose a major issue, but if it occurred before V1 and was either undetected or ignored, then it's possible that take-off could be attempted, even if the plane did not have power to get out of the initial climb.Comment
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Originally posted by wattaj View Post"Engine failure" yes; catastrophic "engine failure" no.
Let's wait for the details to emerge before rushing to judgement.
You're on the wrong forum fellaI am what I drink, and I'm a bitter manComment
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