A Ukrainian Boeing-737 crashes killing all onboard

[technobabble]

Ukrainian flight

I suspect the intention was as follows:

a) To shoot a plane down whilst an exchange of missiles between the USA and Iran was underway.
b) Selected a flight due to depart at time of planned attack / timing of attack to match.
c) Selection of this Ukrainian flight as this would cause a backlash in Ukraine against the US
d) The USA could then be blamed for civilian deaths including many Canadians and some Brits. Suggesting a careful selection of the plane based on likely passenger profiles.
e) Iran could claim it was trying to shoot down cruise missiles in the air trying to "defend" Tehrans airport
f) The error happened during the confusion and chaos of a US counter attack.

What went wrong

1) USA did not retaliate
2) Plane was delayed for 2 hours at take off
3) The orders given for the above were not stopped in light of the above.
4) Army has already admitted it "mistook" plane for cruise missile
5) "Lost communications" with officer firing was probably intentional so orders were not needed to be transmitted and therefore picked up by international monitoring of comms. But that meant order to stand down could not be given either. The officer has stated that the procedure was to confirm before firing but couldn't do so, so acted anyway.
6) Probably they were monitoring the transponder of that flight and using that to track - but its delay in departure caused a delay in shooting it down.
7) They didn't close their own airspace when they launched their attack on USA.
8) Set up their own officer so he was presented with a situation and had to act on his own. But he thought he was defending his country and acted accordingly...
9) General in charge stated that he "wished he was dead" no doubt he knows we will be soon anyway.. So let that slip out...

Awful in every way if true as they planned to kill their own citizens in an attempt to blame the US then couldn't stop it with 2 hours to spare.

[DealorNoDeal]

Simples

I wouldn't be surprised if there was someone on that flight who the Iranians wanted to assasinate.

It's the perfect cover. Shoot down the plane, killing the individual, and then claim it was a tragic mistake.

[DealorNoDeal]

No, wait a minute

I've got it.

There was enriched ukranian on the plane. That would explain why they got the diggers in pdq to scour the crash site.

[technobabble]

I wouldn't be surprised if there was someone on that flight who the Iranians wanted to assasinate.

It's the perfect cover. Shoot down the plane, killing the individual, and then claim it was a tragic mistake.

Yep - some Canadians and any other westerners. It was close or even the Ukrainian New Year that day so likely to be many people like that returning to the West.

[DealorNoDeal]

Yep - some Canadians and any other westerners. It was close or even the Ukrainian New Year that day so likely to be many people like that returning to the West.

Clearly they'd have preferred a flight with Americans on it but I guess you don't get too many of them in and out of Tehran. Canadians are the next best thing; after all, it's next door to America.

I bet Scoots has a better theory though.

[NickFitz]

I suspect the intention was as follows:

a) To shoot a plane down whilst an exchange of missiles between the USA and Iran was underway.
b) Selected a flight due to depart at time of planned attack / timing of attack to match.
c) Selection of this Ukrainian flight as this would cause a backlash in Ukraine against the US
d) The USA could then be blamed for civilian deaths including many Canadians and some Brits. Suggesting a careful selection of the plane based on likely passenger profiles.
e) Iran could claim it was trying to shoot down cruise missiles in the air trying to "defend" Tehrans airport
f) The error happened during the confusion and chaos of a US counter attack.

What went wrong

1) USA did not retaliate
2) Plane was delayed for 2 hours at take off
3) The orders given for the above were not stopped in light of the above.
4) Army has already admitted it "mistook" plane for cruise missile
5) "Lost communications" with officer firing was probably intentional so orders were not needed to be transmitted and therefore picked up by international monitoring of comms. But that meant order to stand down could not be given either. The officer has stated that the procedure was to confirm before firing but couldn't do so, so acted anyway.
6) Probably they were monitoring the transponder of that flight and using that to track - but its delay in departure caused a delay in shooting it down.
7) They didn't close their own airspace when they launched their attack on USA.
8) Set up their own officer so he was presented with a situation and had to act on his own. But he thought he was defending his country and acted accordingly...
9) General in charge stated that he "wished he was dead" no doubt he knows we will be soon anyway.. So let that slip out...

Awful in every way if true as they planned to kill their own citizens in an attempt to blame the US then couldn't stop it with 2 hours to spare.

I’m rather more drawn to:

1. People under extreme stress often make mistakes;
   
2. When the people under extreme stress are in control of guided missiles, their mistakes can have terrible consequences.

Occam’s Razor, don’t you know. There's a similar example of that situation arising in the same part of the world involving two of the same participants: Iran Air Flight 655 - Wikipedia

[DealorNoDeal]

I’m rather more drawn to:

1. People under extreme stress often make mistakes;
   
2. When the people under extreme stress are in control of guided missiles, their mistakes can have terrible consequences.

Occam’s Razor, don’t you know. There's a similar example of that situation arising in the same part of the world involving two of the same participants: Iran Air Flight 655 - Wikipedia

But that's what they want you to believe.

[xoggoth]

Who knows? Techobabble could be right. Or FizzyKnickers. Never been a conflict without unintentional civilian casualties

[Paddy]

I suspect the intention was as follows:

a) To shoot a plane down whilst an exchange of missiles between the USA and Iran was underway.
b) Selected a flight due to depart at time of planned attack / timing of attack to match.
c) Selection of this Ukrainian flight as this would cause a backlash in Ukraine against the US
d) The USA could then be blamed for civilian deaths including many Canadians and some Brits. Suggesting a careful selection of the plane based on likely passenger profiles.
e) Iran could claim it was trying to shoot down cruise missiles in the air trying to "defend" Tehrans airport
f) The error happened during the confusion and chaos of a US counter attack.

What went wrong

1) USA did not retaliate
2) Plane was delayed for 2 hours at take off
3) The orders given for the above were not stopped in light of the above.
4) Army has already admitted it "mistook" plane for cruise missile
5) "Lost communications" with officer firing was probably intentional so orders were not needed to be transmitted and therefore picked up by international monitoring of comms. But that meant order to stand down could not be given either. The officer has stated that the procedure was to confirm before firing but couldn't do so, so acted anyway.
6) Probably they were monitoring the transponder of that flight and using that to track - but its delay in departure caused a delay in shooting it down.
7) They didn't close their own airspace when they launched their attack on USA.
8) Set up their own officer so he was presented with a situation and had to act on his own. But he thought he was defending his country and acted accordingly...
9) General in charge stated that he "wished he was dead" no doubt he knows we will be soon anyway.. So let that slip out...

Awful in every way if true as they planned to kill their own citizens in an attempt to blame the US then couldn't stop it with 2 hours to spare.

Your theory falls apart at "(a)" because of the vast majority of people were Iranian or dual nationality Iranians. All the British victims were dual Iranian. About 60% were university lectures hence the demonstrations at Tehran Universities.

Furthermore, the army allegedly requested civilian aircraft to be grounded that night. If they wanted to target an aircraft there are plenty other airlines over-flying Tehran rather than picking on their own nationality.

Notwithstanding the aforementioned, at the demo' at the University, they were shouting "death to the dictator... death to Khamenei (the supreme leader) and death to the militants" The military is under the control of the supreme leader and not the government, (NB: In the UK the Queen is head of the armed forces, head of the church and appointed by God). It's about time unelected heads of state be abolished.

[Eirikur]

Unbelievable how many conspiracy idiots there are on this forum