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Contract renewal falls inside. Confusion ensues.
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Originally posted by burnzdog View PostSo I have no option other than to take the position inside via umbrella.
If I take the new contract does that implicate the validity of the previous contract being outside? Although the role is different?
Am I right to feel a little hard done by here!?!
What role did you do before and what are you doing now?
Have they stated why it is inside. You should get an SDS with an explanation why. If not go and ask for it.
P. S. Contractors don't fill roles by the way, they deliver services /products. Permies have roles. Pedantic point but worth making.'CUK forum personality of 2011 - Winner - Yes really!!!!Comment
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Originally posted by northernladuk View PostYes you do. You can leave.
It could yes as the client (assuming they end up siding with the agency) is probably stating something that is company policy is putting you inside I. E. No subs or they want personal service etc. You aren't in the highest bracket of straight outside to inside but you are close.
You realise this is affecting 10s of thousands of contractors don't you?
What role did you do before and what are you doing now?
Have they stated why it is inside. You should get an SDS with an explanation why. If not go and ask for it.
P. S. Contractors don't fill roles by the way, they deliver services /products. Permies have roles. Pedantic point but worth making.
I provide professional services. I am hired on the strength of this service. The point is everyone has left to the last minute, regardless of SDS it would appear they are going by what is safest. This process is a matter of saving ones ass rather than a legitimate process.
Please don't be condescending. I'm not an idiot, my questions were based around the situation whereby I have no control. I am simply asking for advice, I'm not looking for sympathy.Comment
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Only slightly condescending. The rest of it is genuine advice/pointers.'CUK forum personality of 2011 - Winner - Yes really!!!!Comment
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Originally posted by burnzdog View PostOk, so going forward if i take a renewal contract inside IR35 how can I protect myself. Or is this not worth the risk? I am struggling to understand my position in all of this.
Close behind is outside to inside but different role. The inside one might not have bearing on the outside one unless its a policy decision like no subs or something. They'd have to tondo some digging and out a case together. You would thing there will be enough of the other guys to keep them busy but who knows.
We are only summising all the above of course. We don't really know at the end of the day.
The devil is always in the details so find out why the agent doesn't agree.'CUK forum personality of 2011 - Winner - Yes really!!!!Comment
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Originally posted by burnzdog View PostOk, so going forward if i take a renewal contract inside IR35 how can I protect myself. Or is this not worth the risk? I am struggling to understand my position in all of this.Comment
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Originally posted by northernladuk View PostYou can't really. Top of the risk tree are straight outside to inside same work types. Very easy wins if HMRC come knocking.
Close behind is outside to inside but different role. The inside one might not have bearing on the outside one unless its a policy decision like no subs or something. They'd have to tondo some digging and out a case together. You would thing there will be enough of the other guys to keep them busy but who knows.
We are only summising all the above of course. We don't really know at the end of the day.
The devil is always in the details so find out why the agent doesn't agree.Comment
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Originally posted by burnzdog View PostShould I close the LTD company as existing contract finish at end of month?Originally posted by eek View Post2) ... shutting it may not stop HMRC coming knocking in the future)Comment
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I know I'd do what a lot of my freelance contractors are doing and walk away. If the company needs your services they should come knocking with a genuine offer or the Agency should uplift your fees so you are not going to be 40% worse off for taking on a similar role.
Not helpful but if we lay down and accept this the country will be stuffed because there won't be any point being freelancers.
In my line of work there have been mobile "freelance" zero hour contractors since before the Navvies dug canals. The country has relied on them for centuries and making that work force conform to a situation where they may as well take work local to where they live is going to hurt this country more than HMRC seem to understand.
Who is going to build all these Civil Infrastructure projects if the workforce cannot make it pay? If they are all on IR35 they won't want to go live in a caravan in a field with sod all in the way of facilities. Which I've done on road building jobs. If they are on IR35 there won't be the money to pay for accommodation in B&B's. April will be the splash, the ripples will sink the gravy boat. I'm not taking any role's on until I know for sure where I stand.
Not been subject to joined up thinking has it?
Sorry but I think your best option is to leave and seek work elsewhere. Unless you really are a freelancer in a pseudo permie role.Comment
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