economic crisis death toll

[tomtomagain]

maybe, when you've grown up in poverty like we have we are more attuned to what those now living on the bread line are going through. I don't know....

I hope you haven't misunderstoond ( or I have mis-explained ) my position.

I think that this shut-down is the ONLY way to protect the most vulnerable in society.

I think the government must also act in a much more radical way to support the workers who are going to (hopefully, temporarily) lose their incomes in the next few days and months.

I'm hoping that this afternoon we'll see some major announcements by the chancellor on this subject.

I'm arguing against the "Just let it rip" view-point as I believe that this will hurt the most vulnerable far more in both the short-term and medium to long-term.

The cost of support is going to be huge. But it's going to spread across the next 100 years or so.

[tomtomagain]

Has anyone seen any estimates for how many £trillions this will end up costing the economy?

The cost is irrelevant.

Do something ... it's going to cost £billions and impact millions of lives

Do nothing ... it's going to cost £billions and impact millions of lives.


You don't always get to pick the wars you fight. But you gotta fight them.

[DealorNoDeal]

1. We have to flatten the "Sombrero" otherwise the NHS will collapse and deaths from COVID-19 & OTHER diseases will skyrocket without treatment.

This.

I just pray this can be done without us ending up in a much worse situation than post-2008.

[Whorty]

4 key things about the current measures

1. We have to flatten the "Sombrero" otherwise the NHS will collapse and deaths from COVID-19 & OTHER diseases will skyrocket without treatment.
2. We need to delay infections until we have a vaccine or lower cost (effort & money) treatments so the NHS doesn't collapse.
3. We currently have goodwill if we can maintain it a long closure may be effective, the usual suspects will be out stealing new new kicks soon, maybe we can shoot them? Sorry harsh but expected.
4. We need to make sure that our workers have some jobs to go back to as despair is a path to civil disobedience.

I wasn't arguing for, or against, certain actions, just pointing out that every action has a consequence, and it's easy to be armchair experts but unless we live in others shoes we don't know what they're going through.

I agree with 1 ..... but how 'flat' is flat enough?

For 2, do we need a vaccine? We don't know if people are immune once they have had this virus, and we don't know how many people have had the virus but shown no signs but are now immune. There are still so many unknowns and even the experts are still learning.

3. When/if the goodwill runs out, what gives first? A rock and a hard place for the world's leaders.

4. Agreed. Otherwise more people may die because of the actions to try and slow the spread of the virus, than die of the virus itself.

[vetran]

I wasn't arguing for, or against, certain actions, just pointing out that every action has a consequence, and it's easy to be armchair experts but unless we live in others shoes we don't know what they're going through.

I agree with 1 ..... but how 'flat' is flat enough?

For 2, do we need a vaccine? We don't know if people are immune once they have had this virus, and we don't know how many people have had the virus but shown no signs but are now immune. There are still so many unknowns and even the experts are still learning.

3. When/if the goodwill runs out, what gives first? A rock and a hard place for the world's leaders.

4. Agreed. Otherwise more people may die because of the actions to try and slow the spread of the virus, than die of the virus itself.

1.That is what the experts need to define. I suspect very flat is required, its not like the NHS is that flabby at the clinical level or that organised.
2. Re-infection is occurring so yes, its also a ~1-3% death rate expect 250,000 deaths. Anything that reduces that is welcome.
3. Well we seem to be seeing companies working to help those without work.
4. lets hope not many.

[NotAllThere]

Yes people are in hospital, so what, it happens 365days per year and this year even 366 days.
BTW Do you always send messages to people threatening to ban them if they post something you don't agree with?

I don't threaten. Is that better?

[cojak]

Yes people are in hospital, so what, it happens 365days per year and this year even 366 days.
BTW Do you always send messages to people threatening to ban them if they post something you don't agree with?

Now I don't ban for 99.9% of opinions (that's what I posted Coolcat's video).

I threatened the ban for the false facts that you were spouting in the first post.

NAT banned you for your opinion...

[hairymouse]

Interesting bit added to the end of the latest email from my accountant:
"At this time of uncertainty, we appreciate that this could be a very difficult time for many of you. Therefore, we would like to remind you of our partnership with Samaritans. They offer a safe, confidential place to talk. To get in touch, call 116 123."

I'm hoping that wasn't a a comment on my particular financial situation.

[cannon999]

It's scary that some people keep pushing the 'it's like a cold' agenda hinting that we shouldn't look after the older people and care about the economy instead. Fuc5ing idiots.

[BrilloPad]

This.

I just pray this can be done without us ending up in a much worse situation than post-2008.

The issues of 2008 were never resolved - just postponed. There is too much debt. Too much inequality.

I hope when all this is done younger people have a better future. And if I go ill then I get given maxiumum morphine dose.

MrsBP's father died of morphine overdose. He had terminal cancer. He was a fireman and once got badly burned on both arms. He never seemed to notice the pain. But was screaming in agony from the cancer. MrsBP is eternally grateful for the common sense of doctors and nurses that his last days were bearable.