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    Difficult decisions

    Who should be denied treatment? Simply based on age?

    Maybe they should save the ones that aren't over 20 stone, can solve a crossword puzzle or count up to 10 first?

    At least that way we get something positive out of this?

    #2
    TBF to MF, he's now counting up to seven.

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      #3
      It's really very easy. You don't treat the ones that will get better and the ones that are going to die anyway. Everybody else, you treat.

      Basic triage. It's how medicine works. It doesn't need to change.
      Blog? What blog...?

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        #4
        Originally posted by malvolio View Post
        It's really very easy. You don't treat the ones that will get better and the ones that are going to die anyway. Everybody else, you treat.

        Basic triage. It's how medicine works. It doesn't need to change.
        Great in principle except:
        1. You don't know who's going to get better, or even who is sick, because they are instructed not to go to hospital until they are really sick
        2. You don't know who else is infected because testing is extremely limited
        3. The ones who have caught it early tend to be the sick and elderly, so the hospitals are filling up with those.

        Therefore, triage is now:
        You're really sick? Oh, we haven't got room, go home. Or, we have got room, let's test you.

        Meanwhile all the idiots are out, not distancing themselves, not working from home, just merrily catching/infecting/spreading because they are too self-centred to consider others and the NHS.
        …Maybe we ain’t that young anymore

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          #5
          KUATB

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            #6
            Anyone that has an Aygo.

            These decisions don't have to be difficult.

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              #7
              Originally posted by BrilloPad View Post
              Well I would if you formed the hyperlink properly....

              But at some point you will have to connect to the health services, unless you're not really ill enough - i.e. you can still breathe and move about. At which point the normal rules apply. And if you're selfish enough to go to hospital when all you have is a nasty cold (and yes, they are easily distinguishable) then you deserve to be thrown out.

              But we're all theorising for no purpose other than to scare people. Leave it to the professionals
              Blog? What blog...?

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                #8
                Do it by pension pot amount.

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                  #9
                  Save the Human Race.

                  Originally posted by DimPrawn View Post
                  Who should be denied treatment?
                  Homo Brexitis.

                  Or anyone who voted for Boris.

                  That would sort things out within days.
                  "Don't part with your illusions; when they are gone you may still exist, but you have ceased to live" Mark Twain

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by malvolio View Post
                    It's really very easy. You don't treat the ones that will get better and the ones that are going to die anyway. Everybody else, you treat.

                    Basic triage. It's how medicine works. It doesn't need to change.

                    Sounds nice in theory, doesn't it. I think you don't have a clue what the actuality of the situation is now.

                    If you have a consistent frequent dry cough and shortness of breath you are directed to call NHS111. Your GP surgery can do nothing for you and will tell you as much when they phone. You are not permitted to just go to a hospital of your own volition.

                    Go look at twitter hashtags for NHS111: call waiting times are hours long. I've phoned on behalf of someone else who is older and was cut off after over an hour and a half on hold. To get on hold I had to redial many times, as pressing 9 resulted in being cut off. The person has trouble breathing and perhaps has fifty percent lung capacity.

                    In telling some friends who are doctors on our chat group they have indicated that the advice is to just call 111 unless it's a medical emergency. I can see the person is alive but it is blatantly obvious to anybody that people are going to develop viral pneumonia and will enter the hospital far too late due to inability to contact the service they are required to contact in the event of "urgent cases": NHS 111 and follow the keypad prompts for urgent Covid19 cases for shortness of breath.

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