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    Quote Originally Posted by AtW View Post
    They knew how bad it would be back in 2016 when it was modelled out
    Yes, I recall the great rallying cry of 2016...

    "There will be a pandemic in 2020 so we need to buy another 20,000 ventilators".

    Every other country did it, just not the UK, so we are more screwed than everyone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eek View Post
    Why would you join an EU procurement program where you would be bottom of the list when you can purchase / make your own far more quickly.
    Exactly this; the EU wants to lever our buying power; then appropriate them for themselves.


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    Quote Originally Posted by minestrone View Post
    Yes, I recall the great rallying cry of 2016...

    "There will be a pandemic in 2020 so we need to buy another 20,000 ventilators".

    Every other country did it, just not the UK, so we are more screwed than everyone else.
    South Korea for some reason seems much more prepared, and China, and Germany looks pretty good so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PurpleGorilla View Post
    Exactly this; the EU wants to lever our buying power; then appropriate them for themselves.


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    It’s not buying power for vents now - everybody wants them, but overall political influence and future business

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    The UK’s biological security strategy, published in 2018 to address the threat of pandemics, was not properly implemented, according to a former government chief scientific adviser.
    Prof Sir Ian Boyd, who advised the environment department for seven years until last August and was involved in writing the strategy, told the Guardian that a lack of resources was to blame. Other experts said there was a gap between pandemic planning and action, and that the strategy had stalled.
    The UK has been rated as one of the most prepared nations in the world, and some experts have said the coronavirus outbreak would have overwhelmed any government. However, a 2019 parliamentary inquiry into biological security was postponed and then cancelled because MPs were focused on Brexit and then the December general election.
    Anyone watch Gove's press conference today? Thought not...In fact looking at a lot of the nonsense, spouted by the usual idiots here, I suspect that they're still reading the Sunday Sport for their news

    Hate to point out the obvious, but UK has not embarked on the testing campaign because it would rapidly become apparent that we do not have the capacity. That would then lead to awkward questions about the wisdom of running down a country’s health service.

    Far better to divert with Dunkirk, mass volunteer campaigns and hand clapping nonsense. Meanwhile our loved ones that work in the NHS are being sent like lambs to the slaughter without protective gear.
    Brexit is having a wee in the middle of the room at a house party because nobody is talking to you, and then complaining about the smell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AtW View Post
    South Korea for some reason seems much more prepared, and China, and Germany looks pretty good so far.
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    They opened up Wuhan, that is beyond dispute - what other proof you need?

    They lost less people because they acted fast to lockdown AND build new hospitals super fast - it’s verifiable. Frankly it even matters less if 10 times more Died there, fact is that they got it under control.

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    Quote Originally Posted by darmstadt View Post
    Anyone watch Gove's press conference today? Thought not...In fact looking at a lot of the nonsense, spouted by the usual idiots here, I suspect that they're still reading the Sunday Sport for their news
    Fooking Toad did not answer very specific questions - as per usual, only it’s matter of life and death

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    Quote Originally Posted by AtW View Post
    They opened up Wuhan, that is beyond dispute - what other proof you need?

    They lost less people because they acted fast to lockdown AND build new hospitals super fast - it’s verifiable. Frankly it even matters less if 10 times more Died there, fact is that they got it under control.
    I'm with you AtW on a lot of points, but Wuhan is not open. It's in the process of gently 'opening', the buildings that were welded, still are, and workplaces are not open. It's a go out and have a walk instruction to a subset of the city. (AFAIK, just from reading the news)

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    Quote Originally Posted by AtW View Post
    They opened up Wuhan, that is beyond dispute - what other proof you need?

    They lost less people because they acted fast to lockdown AND build new hospitals super fast - it’s verifiable. Frankly it even matters less if 10 times more Died there, fact is that they got it under control.
    They built a 1000 bed hospital in 10 days. Everyone is in awe. "Look at how great they are, we could never do that"

    The NHS builds a 4000 bed London hospital in 4 days. "BORIS ISN'T DOING ENOUGH!!"

    The virus will still be rampant there, they will have their Potemkin healthy areas. But no doubt it is everywhere like everywhere else.

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