• Visitors can check out the Forum FAQ by clicking this link. You have to register before you can post: click the REGISTER link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below. View our Forum Privacy Policy.
  • Want to receive the latest contracting news and advice straight to your inbox? Sign up to the ContractorUK newsletter here. Every sign up will also be entered into a draw to WIN £100 Amazon vouchers!

UK sex workers in 'dire and desperate' need amid coronavirus lockdown

Collapse
X
  •  
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

    #41
    So if someone with learning disabilities, with some capacity, decides they would like to have some contact with the opposite sex and they go a procure the services of a sex worker, because they haven't a hope in hell of accessing this very human need otherwise, is it exploitation? In fact who's doing the exploiting? This happens regularly and it is tolerated as it calms the individual down somewhat from making inappropriate advances to care staff and other residents. Also the physically disabled benefit from this, especially those with significant care needs who are not going to easily attract a partner.
    But I discovered nothing else but depraved, excessive superstition. Pliny the younger

    Comment


      #42
      Originally posted by LondonManc View Post
      You're conflating all prostitution. A high class escort isn't doing the same thing as a crack-addict hanging around Chorlton Street bus station offering cheap, toothless gobbles.
      However you wish to justify your position.
      ---

      Former member of IPSE.


      ---
      Many a mickle makes a muckle.

      ---

      Comment


        #43
        Originally posted by wattaj View Post
        However you wish to justify your position.
        Ditto @vetran.
        ---

        Former member of IPSE.


        ---
        Many a mickle makes a muckle.

        ---

        Comment


          #44
          Originally posted by wattaj View Post
          Do you not see how the conflation of these two situations ignores the exploitation element? Drugs and alcohol can be provided without the subjugation of the people providing the service; prostitution cannot.

          During Prohibition criminal gangs grew so big, embedded(via bribery) & lethal the US created special squads to deal with them. The legal & regulated supply of alcohol has vastly improved the situation. There are few if any employees of the drinks producers that would be considered legally exploited. Illegal production of Alcohol is prosecuted with vigour.

          Drugs are neither legal or regulated you will note county lines (the abuse of children to carry & sell drugs) are clearly expanding. The use of drugs to bind prostitutes to their pimps is widespread. Regulating these where it makes sense (legalised medicinal cannabis for instance) makes sense. However health concerns make banning most drugs sensible.

          If a competent person wishes to sell their body I would like to see that regulated and supported so only the willing do it. If there are none willing then fine we can just prosecute those that force people to do it.
          Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much.

          Comment


            #45
            Originally posted by wattaj View Post
            However you wish to justify your position. - Ditto @vetran.
            You mean with facts and reason? - ahh I can see why you are having problems.
            Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much.

            Comment


              #46
              Originally posted by vetran View Post
              You mean with facts and reason? - ahh I can see why you are having problems.
              As I say: however you wish to justify your position (i.e. via the outliers).

              I am comfortable with mine because, on balance, the weight of the available evidence is with me.

              Last edited by wattaj; 14 April 2020, 11:31. Reason: Clarity.
              ---

              Former member of IPSE.


              ---
              Many a mickle makes a muckle.

              ---

              Comment


                #47
                Originally posted by wattaj View Post
                As I say: however you wish to justify your position (i.e. via the outliers).

                I am comfortable with mine because, on balance, the weight of the available evidence is with me.


                Prohibition was hardly an outlier. Neither is the illegal drug trade. As I said many countries have legalised prostitution and redoubled their efforts to prosecute the criminals some have seen success.

                Let me guess you are religious?

                My God says the 'oldest profession' is immoral so I believe it is wrong?
                Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much.

                Comment


                  #48
                  Originally posted by wattaj View Post
                  However you wish to justify your position.
                  You profess to have great knowledge in the areas of drugs, alcohol and prostitution....
                  The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world that he didn't exist

                  Comment


                    #49
                    Originally posted by LondonManc View Post
                    You profess to have great knowledge in the areas of drugs, alcohol and prostitution....
                    Hopefully all three at the same time....

                    Comment


                      #50
                      Originally posted by vetran View Post
                      Prohibition was hardly an outlier. Neither is the illegal drug trade. As I said many countries have legalised prostitution and redoubled their efforts to prosecute the criminals some have seen success.
                      You miss my point: that you have selected two outliers (Cynthia Payne and Brooke Magnanti) in order to support your position that people can, and do, choose this line of work. It is not that prohibition or the illegal drugs trade are outliers.

                      However, let me underline a point that I made earlier: that the drugs trade could be legalised and the result would be much like the present day farming and pharmaceuticals industries IF one can also address addiction and drug misuse. No-one would continue to be harmed by a now legal and regulated drugs trade. Prostitution is different: someone would still have to provide that personal service and that person is more likely to be the one being exploited in the power dynamic.

                      Originally posted by vetran View Post
                      Let me guess you are religious?
                      No. I'm just not a dick. HTH.
                      ---

                      Former member of IPSE.


                      ---
                      Many a mickle makes a muckle.

                      ---

                      Comment

                      Working...
                      X