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    Quote Originally Posted by LondonManc View Post
    If you had any sort of education you'd know that it's historiography, not historiagraphy.
    I thought someone of your alleged education would understand that once you've flounced you don't return. It's simply bad form.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sasguru View Post
    Thanks for spotting my typo. There is some value in your otherwise useless existence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Greg View Post
    Only a truly cretinous gammon could think that the complexity of differing historical viewpoints can be settled by picking the one that makes the British establishment look good.
    Oh. Let me guess. Vetran, right?
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    Meanwhile about 100 NHS staff have died from Covid:
    Very depressing. Really makes me glum.
    Try reading MD's article in the current edition of Private Eye. That's really depressing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NotAllThere View Post
    Try reading MD's article in the current edition of Private Eye. That's really depressing.
    People are depressed enough without that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LondonManc View Post
    Oh you're still here? What a shame. Ah well, it's about time you went back on ignore.
    Off you go. Back to la-la land, where Britannia rules the waves, unicorns gambol in the glades and Covid doesn't exist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sasguru View Post
    If you were better educated you would understand that there is considerable debate about historiagraphy and that there is plenty of doubt about the competence of British army leadership especially in the first part of the war.
    However the fact that you consider the Express worthy of quotation in a historical debate tells us all we need to know about your intellect and explains why most here, on all sides of the spectrum, totally ignore your stupid wittering.

    I thought you were a bit of a stats expert??


    Assuming that the "donkeys" were responsible for excessive deaths etc. due to incompetence the statistics would clearly indicate the worst military strategists among the major players?

    The Great War . Resources . WWI Casualties and Deaths | PBS



    Country Total Mobilized Forces Killed Wounded Prisoners and Missing Total Casualties Casualties as % of Forces
    ALLIED AND ASSOCIATED POWERS
    Russia 12,000,000 1,700,000 4,950,000 2,500,000 9,150,000 76.3
    British Empire 8,904,467 908,371 2,090,212 191,652 3,190,235 35.8
    France 8,410,000 1,357,800 4,266,000 537,000 6,160,800 73.3
    Italy 5,615,000 650,000 947,000 600,000 2,197,000 39.1
    United States 4,355,000 116,516 204,002 4,500 323,018 7.1
    Japan 800,000 300 907 3 1,210 0.2
    Romania 750,000 335,706 120,000 80,000 535,706 71.4
    Serbia 707,343 45,000 133,148 152,958 331,106 46.8
    Belgium 267,000 13,716 44,686 34,659 93,061 34.9
    Greece 230,000 5,000 21,000 1,000 27,000 11.7
    Portugal 100,000 7,222 13,751 12,318 33,291 33.3
    Montenegro 50,000 3,000 10,000 7,000 20,000 40.0
    TOTAL 42,188,810 5,142,631 12,800,706 4,121,090 22,062,427 52.3
    ALLIED AND ASSOCIATED POWERS
    Germany 11,000,000 1,773,700 4,216,058 1,152,800 7,142,558 64.9
    Austria-Hungary 7,800,000 1,200,000 3,620,000 2,200,000 7,020,000 90.0
    Turkey 2,850,000 325,000 400,000 250,000 975,000 34.2
    Bulgaria 1,200,000 87,500 152,390 27,029 266,919 22.2
    TOTAL 22,850,000 3,386,200 8,388,448 3,629,829 15,404,477 67.4
    GRAND TOTAL 65,038,810 8,528,831 21,189,154 7,750,919 37,466,904 57.5

    So British deaths & casualties by mobilised forces 35.8% were nearly half in percentage compared to Germany 64.9%. What where the Germans led by?

    The French were at 73.3% yet they were on the same major battlefields as us for the majority of the war.


    death wise it was

    British 10.2% chance of death.
    German 16.1%
    French 16.1%

    So the Lions had 6% fewer dying must have been a mistake the generals didn't kill enough to keep up with the others.

    There are plenty of other stats to look at if you want.

    Using the express was meant to trigger your arrogance and as usual it worked you attacked the messenger not the facts

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    Quote Originally Posted by vetran View Post

    Wittering away while NHS staff die due to government incompetence.
    Your stupidity is different class, even on a forum full of thickos.
    But never mind, eh, musn't grumble.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NotAllThere View Post
    Oh. Let me guess. Vetran, right?

    Thanks I am right and backed by the Beeb and a number of historians.

    BBC - History -
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    One undeniable fact is that Britain and its allies, not Germany, won the First World War. Moreover, Haig's army played the leading role in defeating the German forces in the crucial battles of 1918. In terms of the numbers of German divisions engaged, the numbers of prisoners and guns captured, the importance of the stakes and the toughness of the enemy, the 1918 'Hundred Days' campaign rates as the greatest series of victories in British history.
    Even the Somme (1916) and Passchendaele (1917), battles that have become by-words for murderous futility, not only had sensible strategic rationales but qualified as British strategic successes, not least in the amount of attritional damage they inflicted on the Germans. No one denies that the British Expeditionary Force (BEF) had a bloody learning curve, or that generals made mistakes that had catastrophic consequences. However, before dismissing the generals as mere incompetent buffoons, we must establish the context.
    There is no doubt we could of done better (Gallipoli had Bojo's relative in it) but most sensible people recognise the figures tell the story quite well.

    I look forward to assgoo proving his case but as he is insulting people he is probably just warming up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sasguru View Post
    Your stupidity is different class, even on a forum full of thickos.
    But never mind, eh, musn't grumble.

    Sorry did you need to borrow the crayons?

    I must agree with you that the current situation in the NHS is terrible, I assume the experts they used were the same calibre as you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by vetran View Post
    Thanks I am right and backed by the Beeb and a number of historians.

    BBC - History -
    World Wars: The Western Front: Lions Led by Donkeys?




    There is no doubt we could of done better (Gallipoli had Bojo's relative in it) but most sensible people recognise the figures tell the story quite well.

    I look forward to assgoo proving his case but as he is insulting people he is probably just warming up.
    Keep digging. It's what morons do. But why not start another thread to bore everyone with ?
    This one is about the present and govt. incompetence in managing Covid.
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