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    #81
    Originally posted by NotAllThere View Post
    Right. But that doesn't mean that anyone pro-brexit is not left wing, nor that anyone anti-brexit is right wing. Unless you believe that since racists and bigots are more likely to be pro-brexit, that means all pro-brexitters are racists and bigots? A claim up until now you've vehemently rejected.

    Not really. You're confusing being educated with receiving education recently. For example, my parents both have Masters degrees, but that's from the 70s. Not entirely within the definition of "recent". And of course in those days, being a right-wing academic wasn't the least bit of an issue.
    A stat which has been doing the rounds (and not denied by their leadership candidates) is that a quarter of LibDim voters (and a slightly smaller %age of members) also voted to Leave.
    His heart is in the right place - shame we can't say the same about his brain...

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      #82
      Originally posted by darmstadt View Post
      Yes you are back, sticking up for Tories regardless of what they may have done. I think this thread has confused you although it does seem to happen quite often. Now, presumably, you're going to post excerpts from Wikipedia

      Sent from my 5g carrier pigeon

      No sticking up for people who in the eyes of the law are considered innocent at present. Its an alternative to pitchfork parties, you should try it.
      Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much.

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        #83
        Originally posted by vetran View Post
        No sticking up for people who in the eyes of the law are considered innocent at present. Its an alternative to pitchfork parties, you should try it.
        No you're not...

        - Un-named MP and Conservative whip (and ex-Government minister) accused of rape but still allowed to go about their daily business, no suspension, nada...

        - Elphicke, MP and whip was accused of sexual misconduct was immediately suspended, whip was returned so that he could vote and he continued to be in the HoP. Was eventually found guilty

        - Tory campaign manager accused of child, and other, pornography. Was immediately suspended until he was found guilty

        So explain to me how come 2 out of 3 were immediately suspended once accused yet the current one isn't? Would you be happy to have someone in your workplace who was accused of rape to still be working with the accuser?
        Brexit is having a wee in the middle of the room at a house party because nobody is talking to you, and then complaining about the smell.

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          #84
          Originally posted by NotAllThere View Post
          Right. But that doesn't mean that anyone pro-brexit is not left wing, nor that anyone anti-brexit is right wing. Unless you believe that since racists and bigots are more likely to be pro-brexit, that means all pro-brexitters are racists and bigots? A claim up until now you've vehemently rejected.

          Not really. You're confusing being educated with receiving education recently. For example, my parents both have Masters degrees, but that's from the 70s. Not entirely within the definition of "recent". And of course in those days, being a right-wing academic wasn't the least bit of an issue.
          The education obviously didn't pass on to you.


          From the figures the majority of leave voters were members of left leaning organisations.
          Yes some were Conservatives but most were Labour. You aren't proving an absolute just a preference. So your addition of 'all' is an obviously idiotic and a rather pathetic attempt to win the argument.
          More Remainers were left leaning is a reasonable assumption based on the party voter figures.
          More Young people voted remain is a fact.
          A larger percentage of young people are in further education than 30 years ago is a fact because they changed the law.
          More younger people voted remain and had more further education than their older peers because further education has changed.

          If you want to bring your parents into it and they got their degrees in the 70s there were 51,000 who obtained a degree in 1970 and 350,000 in 2011.

          https://researchbriefings.files.parl...52/SN04252.pdf

          Therefore other people born about 1950 are far less likely to have a degree and are likely to have left education at an earlier age. Therefore those without a degree are likely to have had a longer time away from education than someone else their age. That surely is obvious?





          Yep its a claim an you have not provided any proof as usual. Do provide some, I will readily admit a few leave voters are racist I'm sure a few remain voters are but they want to keep their Spanish holiday homes like Tommy the tosser.

          claim[kleɪm]




          VERB

          • state or assert that something is the case, typically without providing evidence or proof.
            "the Prime Minister claimed that he was concerned about Third World debt" · [more]




          I can however prove that those who voted remain have expressed a preference to join with a country that has twice started world wars and repeatedly committed genocide & war crimes based on racism. The other countries aren't exactly blameless either. So your claim of the high ground for leavers isn't looking good is it?
          Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much.

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            #85
            Originally posted by darmstadt View Post
            No you're not...

            - Un-named MP and Conservative whip (and ex-Government minister) accused of rape but still allowed to go about their daily business, no suspension, nada...

            - Elphicke, MP and whip was accused of sexual misconduct was immediately suspended, whip was returned so that he could vote and he continued to be in the HoP. Was eventually found guilty

            - Tory campaign manager accused of child, and other, pornography. Was immediately suspended until he was found guilty

            So explain to me how come 2 out of 3 were immediately suspended once accused yet the current one isn't? Would you be happy to have someone in your workplace who was accused of rape to still be working with the accuser?

            I do not know the facts, strangely neither do you.

            Number of rape cases ending in conviction reaches record low | Metro News

            Figures released by the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) show that just 1,439 cases resulted in a conviction for rape or another sexual offence in the year to March. Out of more than 55,000 rape accusations that were filed to police, less than 2,102 of those made it to court.

            Read more: Number of rape cases ending in conviction reaches record low | Metro News
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            As it seems you have a one in 27,500 chance of being convicted it seems reasonable unless you have concrete evidence that one is given the benefit of the doubt.

            Elphicke had multiple accusers - one assumes credible once that comes forth then the whip should be removed.

            Mark Lerigo was caught with illegal images on his laptop that was a provable crime before trial.

            This MP has an ex lover who 6 months later accuses him.

            The Metropolitan Police said it had received allegations on Friday of sexual offences and assault relating to four separate incidents at addresses in London, including in Westminster, between July last year and January this year.
            We are in Johnny Depp / Amber Heard territory here we won't know which of the accusations are legally true until the court decides. Even then it may be overturned on appeal nearly half are granted at the highest court in the land.

            https://www.supremecourt.uk/docs/ann...rt-2018-19.pdf



            All I have suggested is that we wait until the accuser is proven to be a victim and there is evidence before we get the pitchforks out or deny a possibly innocent man of his livelihood. Try putting yourself in his place.


            We all know what labour thinks of rape

            https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-shut-up.html

            Labour MP and key Corbyn ally shares Twitter message telling Rotherham sex abuse victims to ‘shut their mouths for the good of diversity’ - just days after attacking a fellow party member for speaking out over the issue

            • Labour MP Naz Shah shared Twitter post telling sex abuse victims to shut up
            • It came days after she attacked fellow MP for speaking out on Rotheram scandal
            • Ms Shah's spokesman later said the Twitter incident was a 'genuine mistake'
            • She was previously suspended from Labour for making anti-semitic comments

            https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/482221...e-allegations/

            The MP asked to remain anonymous.It came as staffers claimed cover-ups in the party were endemic with other victims told to keep quiet in the past.
            Anoosh Chakelian, a correspondent at the left-leaning New Statesman, said she had heard of other “allegations of sexual misconduct that the party advised women to drop”.
            Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much.

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              #86
              Originally posted by vetran View Post
              I do not know the facts, strangely neither do you.

              Number of rape cases ending in conviction reaches record low | Metro News



              As it seems you have a one in 27,500 chance of being convicted it seems reasonable unless you have concrete evidence that one is given the benefit of the doubt.

              Elphicke had multiple accusers - one assumes credible once that comes forth then the whip should be removed.

              Mark Lerigo was caught with illegal images on his laptop that was a provable crime before trial.

              This MP has an ex lover who 6 months later accuses him.



              We are in Johnny Depp / Amber Heard territory here we won't know which of the accusations are legally true until the court decides. Even then it may be overturned on appeal nearly half are granted at the highest court in the land.

              https://www.supremecourt.uk/docs/ann...rt-2018-19.pdf



              All I have suggested is that we wait until the accuser is proven to be a victim and there is evidence before we get the pitchforks out or deny a possibly innocent man of his livelihood. Try putting yourself in his place.


              We all know what labour thinks of rape

              Labour MP shares post telling abuse victims to 'shut up' | Daily Mail Online




              Labour MP reveals fresh sex abuse allegations after activist Bex Bailey’s rape account
              So you're fine with a suspected rapist still allowed to work in the same environment as their accuser. Explains why rape convictions are at their lowest...
              Brexit is having a wee in the middle of the room at a house party because nobody is talking to you, and then complaining about the smell.

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                #87
                Originally posted by darmstadt View Post
                So you're fine with a suspected rapist still allowed to work in the same environment as their accuser. Explains why rape convictions are at their lowest...
                So if an ex girlfriend or a one night stand accused you of rape without any concrete evidence, you would be ok with all your clients sacking you immediately?

                No the reason rape convictions are at their lowest is because the "experts" in the police & CPS investigate all 55,000 accusations and put forward 4000 cases for trial, they then lose half of them. The other 53,000 accused are lynched by people like you.

                I am all for improved investigation techniques, the ones I have seen were hardly run by experts.

                I am also in favour of requiring a court order to remove anonymity from the accused so less damage is done to their reputation if the evidence is vague.

                I would also prosecute mendacious complainants if they are found guilty they should publicly apologise.


                Here try some expert advice

                Consequences Of False Sexual Accusations - Falsely Accused

                Domestic violence accusations are similar and in the US they found one in four divorces involved an accusation of domestic violence, of which 70% were found to be false. Disgruntled spouses do it for revenge or advantage.

                Fighting False Allegations Of Abuse In A Divorce | Men's Divorce
                Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much.

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                  #88
                  Originally posted by vetran View Post
                  The education obviously didn't pass on to you.


                  From the figures the majority of leave voters were members of left leaning organisations.
                  Yes some were Conservatives but most were Labour. You aren't proving an absolute just a preference. So your addition of 'all' is an obviously idiotic and a rather pathetic attempt to win the argument.
                  More Remainers were left leaning is a reasonable assumption based on the party voter figures.
                  More Young people voted remain is a fact.
                  A larger percentage of young people are in further education than 30 years ago is a fact because they changed the law.
                  More younger people voted remain and had more further education than their older peers because further education has changed.

                  If you want to bring your parents into it and they got their degrees in the 70s there were 51,000 who obtained a degree in 1970 and 350,000 in 2011.

                  https://researchbriefings.files.parl...52/SN04252.pdf

                  Therefore other people born about 1950 are far less likely to have a degree and are likely to have left education at an earlier age. Therefore those without a degree are likely to have had a longer time away from education than someone else their age. That surely is obvious?





                  Yep its a claim an you have not provided any proof as usual. Do provide some, I will readily admit a few leave voters are racist I'm sure a few remain voters are but they want to keep their Spanish holiday homes like Tommy the tosser.



                  I can however prove that those who voted remain have expressed a preference to join with a country that has twice started world wars and repeatedly committed genocide & war crimes based on racism. The other countries aren't exactly blameless either. So your claim of the high ground for leavers isn't looking good is it?
                  You're weird.

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                    #89
                    Originally posted by Old Greg View Post
                    You're weird.

                    Why?

                    If you remain in the EU than its completely true that you want to remain partnered with a country(Germany) that gassed & executed millions because of their race (None Aryan) . France, Italy, Holland & Poland also had a piece of that pie during the war. That is a fact. Calling all Brexiteers racist is an odd insult in comparison.
                    Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much.

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                      #90
                      Originally posted by vetran View Post
                      Why?

                      If you remain in the EU than its completely true that you want to remain partnered with a country(Germany) that gassed & executed millions because of their race (None Aryan) . France, Italy, Holland & Poland also had a piece of that pie during the war. That is a fact. Calling all Brexiteers racist is an odd insult in comparison.
                      Because you don't see the difference between the past and the present.

                      That's what makes you weird.

                      Or maybe it's weird that the feelings of some Brexit supporters in wanting to highlight certain people as "bad" based on their religion or skin colour is a lot closer to Germany in the 1930s than to Europe 90 years later.

                      It's almost like you want to bring up Germany's terrible past, while complaining about anyone who dares mention that some parts of Britain's glorious past aren't so glorious.
                      …Maybe we ain’t that young anymore

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