2020 US Presidential Election thread

[d000hg]

It's going to be a total nightmare whoever wins. Especially if it's close. A clear win for either would be a good thing.

Joe needs to make it clear he's a moderate candidate because Trump supporters are conivnced it's a plot to get Sanders et al in despite the fact the democrat voters made it clear they do not want progressive policies.

[Old Greg]

It's going to be a total nightmare whoever wins. Especially if it's close. A clear win for either would be a good thing.

Joe needs to make it clear he's a moderate candidate because Trump supporters are conivnced it's a plot to get Sanders et al in despite the fact the democrat voters made it clear they do not want progressive policies.

Trump's base are nuts and are going to vote for Trump anyway. IMO the problem with Biden is that he's clearly a bland moderate compromise candidate who doesn't stand for much except business as usual. That may be enough for some people who would like to see some sanity prevail in the White House, but may not be enough for enough people.

[d000hg]

Trump's base are nuts and are going to vote for Trump anyway. IMO the problem with Biden is that he's clearly a bland moderate compromise candidate who doesn't stand for much except business as usual. That may be enough for some people who would like to see some sanity prevail in the White House, but may not be enough for enough people.

On the other hand, moderate republicans and anyone who just dislikes Trump, might be tempted by a middle-of-the-road guy like Joe but would never vote for a progressive. Whereas progressives have no real choice.

[jamesbrown]

On the other hand, moderate republicans and anyone who just dislikes Trump, might be tempted by a middle-of-the-road guy like Joe but would never vote for a progressive. Whereas progressives have no real choice.

Their principle other choice is to stay at home and whine about how proper socialism hasn't been tried before and that they warned us all along about Biden. Witness the Corbynistas w/r to Starmer; they're already frothing at the mouth. The hard left and hard right hate the centrists in their own parties more than they hate the extremists in the other parties - nothing new there

[Old Greg]

Their principle other choice is to stay at home and whine about how proper socialism hasn't been tried before and that they warned us all along about Biden. Witness the Corbynistas w/r to Starmer; they're already frothing at the mouth. The hard left and hard right hate the centrists in their own parties more than they hate the extremists in the other parties - nothing new there

They a re a pretty small electorate that typically don't vote Democrat / Labour in any case.

But it's a mistake to just see that there is a conservative / progressive axis, or even to split that into an economic conservative / progressive axis and a social / cultural conservative / progressive axis. There is also a shake things up / keep things steady axis - the people who would have voted Sanders but will now vote Trump. What teh effect of this will be is unknown of course. Mind you, Sanders would have lost.

[d000hg]

Their principle other choice is to stay at home and whine about how proper socialism hasn't been tried before and that they warned us all along about Biden. Witness the Corbynistas w/r to Starmer; they're already frothing at the mouth. The hard left and hard right hate the centrists in their own parties more than they hate the extremists in the other parties - nothing new there

However when the alternative is not merely a Republican government but 4 more years of orange, I don't think many progressives would protest vote. They genuinely believe Trump to be dangerous.

[jamesbrown]

They a re a pretty small electorate that typically don't vote Democrat / Labour in any case.

But it's a mistake to just see that there is a conservative / progressive axis, or even to split that into an economic conservative / progressive axis and a social / cultural conservative / progressive axis. There is also a shake things up / keep things steady axis - the people who would have voted Sanders but will now vote Trump. What teh effect of this will be is unknown of course. Mind you, Sanders would have lost.

I think that's a very small electorate, though, switching from Sanders to Trump, smaller than the number of socialists railing against Biden, I expect (although it's hard to tell because the minorities are always vocal). The latter will only increase as Biden is forced to tack right - more of them won't show up.

[jamesbrown]

However when the alternative is not merely a Republican government but 4 more years of orange, I don't think many progressives would protest vote. They genuinely believe Trump to be dangerous.

Not a protest vote against, clearly, but that isn't what I'm suggesting. We'll have to see what the turnout looks like for the dems. For the dems, this was always about turning out their vote.

[d000hg]

Their principle other choice is to stay at home and whine about how proper socialism hasn't been tried before and that they warned us all along about Biden. Witness the Corbynistas w/r to Starmer; they're already frothing at the mouth. The hard left and hard right hate the centrists in their own parties more than they hate the extremists in the other parties - nothing new there

I don't thionk there are many real hard left types in the US anyway. They're a very vocal minority but America is inherently far more right-wing than the UK. Someone they'd call an extremist we'd say was a progressive centrist

[jayn200]

I don't thionk there are many real hard left types in the US anyway. They're a very vocal minority but America is inherently far more right-wing than the UK. Someone they'd call an extremist we'd say was a progressive centrist

The parties are definitely more right-wing. They barely differ on the vast majority of policy. It's mostly the messaging that differs especially when you compare the radicals of either parties.

It's 2020 and there has been 6 democrat (left-wing) presidents since WW2 for a total of 36 years and the USA still does not have basic employment rights, public healthcare system, etc... and they have shown 0 interest in implementing them (except for a few rogue politicians). Sure a lot of messaging because that's what they do... but where are the policies?

I don't think its that the usa population wouldn't want these things which we consider basic human rights its just that neither party has ever offered it to them before. They have never had that representation. Sure a few democratic presidential hopefuls have campaigned for it in the primaries but the primaries are hardly about policy anyway.

Almost 3/4s of american population wants universal healthcare.

Not sure what the numbers are for things like maternity leave (usa has no paid maternity leave) and holidays (usa has no paid holiday except for bank holidays) but I gotta imagine those would be extremely popular.

It's not the people, it's the politicians on both sides.