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    #11
    Originally posted by Paddy View Post

    Trump was never good at business, he borrowed money on the reputation of his father. F*ing daft bankers.
    I read somewhere, if he took the money he got from his father, stuck it in a index linked tracker he would end up with more money than he claims to have today
    Originally posted by Stevie Wonder Boy
    I can't see any way to do it can you please advise?

    I want my account deleted and all of my information removed, I want to invoke my right to be forgotten.

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      #12
      Originally posted by Paddy View Post
      Reading up on this, in Trump's case it is clearly more serious than avoidance and in this county would be considered as tax evasion.




      Trump was never good at business, he borrowed money on the reputation of his father. F*ing daft bankers.
      Maybe in the US they need to adapt the old City of London proverb.

      Never lend money to a man whose tie is a lighter colour than his shirt. And never lend money to Robert Maxwell.

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        #13
        Originally posted by NickFitz View Post

        .. his creditors will almost certainly be reluctant to try to foreclose on him while he's president. ..
        While he is President he has sovereign immunity from suit (I think), certainly for actions taken while in office
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          #14
          Originally posted by Paddy View Post
          Reading up on this, in Trump's case it is clearly more serious than avoidance and in this county would be considered as tax evasion.

          Trump was never good at business, he borrowed money on the reputation of his father. F*ing daft bankers.
          I find it somewhat astonishing I'm reading on this forum that paying $750 in tax is a sign of being bad at business.

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            #15
            Originally posted by minestrone View Post
            I find it somewhat astonishing I'm reading on this forum that paying $750 in tax is a sign of being bad at business.
            Good for you.

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              #16
              Originally posted by OwlHoot View Post
              While he is President he has sovereign immunity from suit (I think), certainly for actions taken while in office
              Is that true for civil cases? (I have no idea BTW).

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                #17
                I'm not sure I trust a newspaper to have accurately got confidential documents but maybe this will force him into publishing.

                Accuse him of avoiding tax and I doubt he cares, goad Donald about paying no tax because he hasn't earned anything and he is liable to take the bait.
                Originally posted by MaryPoppins
                I'd still not breastfeed a nazi
                Originally posted by vetran
                Urine is quite nourishing

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by d000hg View Post
                  I'm not sure I trust a newspaper to have accurately got confidential documents but maybe this will force him into publishing.

                  Accuse him of avoiding tax and I doubt he cares, goad Donald about paying no tax because he hasn't earned anything and he is liable to take the bait.
                  Yes, people with Ivy league economics degrees who live on the top of their own Manhattan skyscraper can't deal with that.

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by OwlHoot View Post
                    While he is President he has sovereign immunity from suit (I think), certainly for actions taken while in office
                    No.
                    "A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims, but accomplices," George Orwell

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                      #20
                      Originally posted by minestrone View Post
                      Yes, people with Ivy league economics degrees who live on the top of their own Manhattan skyscraper can't deal with that.
                      When the person is question is mentally unstable, sometimes they can't deal with it.

                      TrumpNation - Wikipedia

                      On January 23, 2006, Trump filed a $5 billion lawsuit in a New Jersey state court against O'Brien and Warner Books for the book's claim that Trump was not a billionaire. Trump said he was worth at least $2.7 billion at the time, and sought $2.5 billion in compensatory damages and an additional $2.5 billion in punitive damages.[7][9][17]

                      Trump called the book "terribly written" and said, "Rather than sitting back and letting false statements be published without challenge, I believe it is important to expose irresponsible, malicious and false reporting. The writer and publisher of this book knew full well that their statements were false and malicious, but in hopes of generating book sales, they did not care. In so doing, they exposed themselves to this lawsuit."[9] Trump's attorneys stated: "The obvious purpose of that malicious scheme and those vile statements is to embarrass Trump, to damage him in his business and professional dealings and to create publicity in order to increase sales of O'Brien's newly released book."[3] Trump's attorneys also alleged that O'Brien spent a three-hour visit at Trump's office attempting to pressure one of Trump's lawyers into going on a date with him, rather than researching Trump's finances.[3]


                      Warner Books' spokesperson, Rob Nissen, said, "Mr. O'Brien is an award-winning, veteran business reporter with the New York Times and his work, as does his book, 'TrumpNation,' speak for themselves."[17] Nissen further stated that Trump willingly and extensively aided O'Brien in his research for the book, and that O'Brien was willing to meet with Trump at any time to discuss the project.[17] Martin Garbus, a First Amendment expert who was not involved with the case, said, "I think the book is totally protected. Trump would have to prove both deliberate falsity and that he lost something as a result of that falsity. I don't think he can do that."[3]


                      During depositions for the case, Trump told attorneys in December 2007, "My net worth fluctuates, and it goes up and down with markets and with attitudes and with feelings, even my own feelings."[8][18] Trump clarified, "Yes, even my own feelings as to where the world is, where the world is going, and that can change rapidly from day to day. Then you have a September 11th, and you don't feel so good about yourself and you don't feel so good about the world and you don't feel so good about New York City. Then you have a year later, and the city is as hot as a pistol. Even months after that it was a different feeling. So yeah, even my own feelings affect my value to myself."[12]


                      Also during depositions, O'Brien's attorney, Andrew Ceresney, asked Trump about earlier claims made in two ghostwritten books credited to him – How to Get Rich (2004) and Trump 101: The Way to Success (2006) – which stated that he was $9.2 billion in debt during the early 1990s. Trump stated that the number was a mistake made by ghostwriter Meredith McIver, and that he was unaware of the exact number, but preferred to say "billions".[19][20] Trump had previously said in 1997, "I owed the banks as much as $9 billion".[21] The Washington Post later wrote, "It appeared that Trump had exaggerated the lows, to make his comeback seem even more impressive."[19]


                      On May 18, 2009, O'Brien and his attorneys requested that the lawsuit be dismissed, stating that the book did not slander or damage Trump's brand name. William Tambussi, Trump's attorney, said that O'Brien damaged Trump by referring to him as a "faux millionaire," a "train wreck," "the walking embodiment of financial pornography" and a "serial bankruptcy addict." Ceresney said that O'Brien made such statements during radio interviews and at book signings, which he said were "intimate settings" that did not damage Trump's reputation.[18]


                      The lawsuit was dismissed by judge Michele M. Fox on July 15, 2009. O'Brien said, "I'm deeply grateful that the court's decision has vindicated the reporting in 'TrumpNation,'" while Trump said, in regard to his net worth, "We've proven our case. When you're worth over $5 billion or $6 billion and you've proven that, you still have to prove malice. The libel laws are very bad."[8][22] The trial had been scheduled to begin on October 13, 2009.[18] Trump appealed the decision to dismiss the lawsuit, but an appeals court affirmed the decision in September 2011. The case was dismissed based on a lack of malice and that dismissal was upheld because it was not enough to prove the claims were false, actual malice requires proving that O'Brien was aware the claims were false. The appeals court noted, "Nothing suggests that O'Brien was subjectively aware of the falsity of his source's figures or that he had actual doubts as to the information's accuracy." [23][24]

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