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    Quote Originally Posted by d000hg View Post
    He VOLUNTEERED you utter muppet. Volunteering is a great thing to do if you are able to, and happens quite a lot in many fields. Volunteering at a skilled trade is not the same as waitressing for free. I doubt she wanted to spend time learning the trade to keep her busy, probably was more interested in buying food.
    Was she told that she wouldn't be paid for her shift? If so, she volunteered, YOU MUPPET!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zigenare View Post
    Was she told that she wouldn't be paid for her shift? If so, she volunteered, YOU MUPPET!
    That is irrelevant. If a person volunteers to do unpaid work eg charity shop, they do it for the love of it.

    If a person does an unpaid shift as a trail with a view to paid work; that is under duress. ie. Too many people going after one job and the employer taking pecuniary advantage. If she took it to court, I am sure she would win damages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zigenare View Post
    Was she told that she wouldn't be paid for her shift? If so, she volunteered, YOU MUPPET!
    That's the point of the petition - if someone is asked to work they should be paid for that work... If there were asked to work alongside people who were being paid then they should be paid.

    If someone volunteers to work then they don't need to be paid....

    It's really very simple but clearly beyond your level of understanding...
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    Quote Originally Posted by SueEllen View Post
    The UK doesn't have proper capitalism otherwise you wouldn't have been able to afford to go to university even as a mature student as university fees are capped for UK residents.

    Also you have the priviledge of healthcare which is free at the point of use which means your mother could afford to give birth to you with adequate medical care and you have had vaccinations plus other things as a child paid by tax payers of this country. You also had the priviledge of free education up to 19. In your capitalised utopia you would have none of this.

    So yes you may have used the capitalised structures of this country to enable you to get to agood standard of living as an adult but you also relied on the social and liberal policies that got you to adulthood in the first place.
    Everyone's situation is different. I'm not british I'm an immigrant and don't want to get too in depth into my personal circumstances but just to say I haven't done any of those things. I paid foreign tuition in the uk and haven't used the nhs.

    I am pro subsidized/free university regardless. But that doesn't mean socialism. Capitalism doesn't mean no government. Obviously you need government to fund roads, education, basic medical care, etc. But government should be in the business of regulating (only where necessary) and subsidising/funding rather than running businesses. There is definitely a conversation about how much taxes do you take and what do you use them for, but capitalism vs socialism, communism is about ownership of production rather than funding. You can fund roads, education, healthcare in capitalism.

    Its crazy this is literally a forum for contractors and you have people arguing for socialism. Insane, you should shut down your business and go work for the nhs if you don't believe in private ownership.

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    Who's crazy?

    I don't think anyone is advocating pure socialism.

    Personally, I feel there is an optimal blend of capitalism and socialism that will bring the best for the majority. There will always be a gap that someone will slip through and the PTBs need to be able to recognise and support those without creating a myriad of special cases.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jayn200 View Post
    Everyone's situation is different. I'm not british I'm an immigrant and don't want to get too in depth into my personal circumstances but just to say I haven't done any of those things. I paid foreign tuition in the uk and haven't used the nhs.

    I am pro subsidized/free university regardless. But that doesn't mean socialism. Capitalism doesn't mean no government. Obviously you need government to fund roads, education, basic medical care, etc. But government should be in the business of regulating (only where necessary) and subsidising/funding rather than running businesses. There is definitely a conversation about how much taxes do you take and what do you use them for, but capitalism vs socialism, communism is about ownership of production rather than funding. You can fund roads, education, healthcare in capitalism.

    Its crazy this is literally a forum for contractors and you have people arguing for socialism. Insane, you should shut down your business and go work for the nhs if you don't believe in private ownership.
    Who?

    People are arguing for the government to regulate employers a bit more than they already do so they stop exploiting people. If they don't then we, the tax payers, are paying the restaurant to have workers. A lot of people are against universal credit (and tax credits) for the same reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SueEllen View Post
    Who?

    People are arguing for the government to regulate employers a bit more than they already do so they stop exploiting people. If they don't then we, the tax payers, are paying the restaurant to have workers. A lot of people are against universal credit (and tax credits) for the same reason.
    Well said!
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