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    #11
    Originally posted by AtW View Post
    They will get waivers owing to the fact they were part of EU before and it was not their fault they tot forced out by Mor Ons

    This will pave way for England to return also, so EU got strategic interest here to give Scotland things they would not give in last Ref
    Pipe dreams.
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      #12
      Originally posted by ladymuck View Post
      Hard border to Scotlandshire!
      Build that wall. Build that wall. And make England pay for it. MSGA.
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        #13
        Originally posted by AtW View Post
        And Kosovo can?
        Kosovo gained independence on the back of civil war - it was a question of necessity, not political posturing.

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          #14
          Originally posted by AtW View Post
          ...

          The poll also showed that Nicola Sturgeon is on course for a landslide win in next May's Holyrood election, with 58 per cent support for the SNP in the constituency vote compared to only 19 per cent for the Tories and 13 per cent for Labour.“..
          This is obviously a lie. Every comments section in MSM, BBC, The Times .. are full of people saying how much she is hated in Scotland.

          PS: The last 11 polls in a row have been in favour of independence.
          "Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience". Mark Twain

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            #15
            Originally posted by TheGreenBastard View Post
            it was a question of necessity, not political posturing.
            So will be rejoining EU for Scotland

            UK (remainder of) will have no veto blocking Scotland joining EU - which was the case before Brexit, a very good reason to vote against independence, now that’s gone

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              #16
              Originally posted by wattaj View Post
              You don't get it, do you: Scotland cannot afford independence.

              The SNP brass know this, but they cannot be seen to admit it, so they keep kicking the can further and further down the road whilst keeping the mouth breathers happy.

              What a load of coswallop. Of course it can. Just like any other small country. The state is bloated to the extremes with public services no one needs.
              "Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience". Mark Twain

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                #17
                Originally posted by wattaj View Post
                You don't get it, do you: Scotland cannot afford independence.

                The SNP brass know this, but they cannot be seen to admit it, so they keep kicking the can further and further down the road whilst keeping the mouth breathers happy.
                Your comment doesn't make sense. There requires to be a fundamental shift in the tax and business structure of the country - and there will be. The corporate tax take overall in the UK is one of the lowest in Europe - not the lowest, but one of the lowest. When we then look at very large corporations it is very low, due to the Starbucks-ing that these businesses perform to effectively evade tax in name but aggressively avoid in terms of legalese.

                A climate-change focused future and gradual move to compatible companies and working ethos, with far better welfare provision will help to justify the tax increases for very large businesses and very rich individuals. As an example, it is very difficult to tax evade in Norway. Individual and corporate tax is published by law. I have no qualms with anybody viewing how much tax I pay. It's part of the social contract to pay tax but not overpay. This has unfortunately been lost, due to Westminster's refusal to finally tackle the tax evasion and very aggressive avoidance methodologies once and for all.

                For reference, 'wokie' or 'woke' actually means empathetic. When you substitute this word it's easy to understand most policies. For example, do you donate to charity to look good and be 'woke' or do you do it out of goodness? People donate out of goodness, but under this weird 'wokie' definition nobody does anything out of empathy and kindness but instead just acts of out selfish interest. Perhaps head to Russia, you and Ayn Rand's family may get on well. Except they hate her and are ashamed, so perhaps not.

                The UK government now is probably the worse one in recent history, since the war, in terms of competence and capability. In Scotland we have a more organised government that is clearly more capable and professional. I expect years of coalition once independence is achieved, which is how a proportional representation democracy is expected to work much of the time.

                If you fancy a first past the post system in which a small minority can vote for the incompetent Boris&co then perhaps you may fancy moving to England once independence is achieved? It's one of the few western developed nations that will still use such a system. It seems likely NI will instead move towards the Irish model of governance and Wales seems keen too. The UK has failed due to poor government and bad democratic structure.

                At least Scottish people are looking for a better viable alternative, as has proven successful elsewhere.

                What would you prefer happen up in Scotland? Genuine question.

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                  #18
                  Oi "roger", how is life in leafy Surrey?

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by wattaj View Post
                    You don't get it, do you: Scotland cannot afford independence.
                    They can if they join the EU, and get loads of funding due to being a poor nation.
                    Originally posted by MaryPoppins
                    I'd still not breastfeed a nazi
                    Originally posted by vetran
                    Urine is quite nourishing

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                      #20
                      Ideally from trade fees England pays for access to the single market.

                      Wouldn't that be a laugh.
                      "Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience". Mark Twain

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