Now finally we know WTFH's public persona :)

**xoggoth** · 8 November 2020, 16:03

Agree with him. So many on the roads at present and mostly men. Don't mind being behind ladies in tight lycra so much.

**vetran** · 8 November 2020, 16:41

Originally posted by xoggoth View Post

Agree with him. So many on the roads at present and mostly men. Don't mind being behind ladies in tight lycra so much.

You need to get round our way, when I pop over near Eton there are some gorgeous lycra girls around on bikes. Sunday morning is good.

But its just that driving back yesterday from Park Royal a couple of cycles slowly going up the hill so I put on my indicator in good time to pull out an give them a whole lane to overtake so they decided to speed up as I pulled out. Committed I had to sneak back in just before an island still room but it wasn't as comfortable as I would like.

Plenty of cyclists out there who can't afford £1 lights and only dress in black who want to become bonnet ornaments.

**BR14** · 8 November 2020, 16:50

Cyclists and horses are what the kill button on a bike was made for

**Whorty** · 8 November 2020, 16:58

<yawn> There is no such thing as road tax. It's an emissions tax, hence why electric cars don't pay either. Feck-wit.

**ladymuck** · 8 November 2020, 17:15

It's vehicle excise duty. Charged/paid according to CO2 emissions.

**AtW** · 8 November 2020, 17:33

It’s a tax on a motor vehicle - does not matter what politicians choose to call it

**Whorty** · 8 November 2020, 20:20

Originally posted by AtW View Post

It’s a tax on a motor vehicle - does not matter what politicians choose to call it

But it's not because electric motor cars (currently) don't pay it - well, technically they are zero rated but same principle. This is despite these cars still causing damage to roads the same as other vehicles, taking up space, and hence adding to the cause of traffic jams.

Take 50% of vehicles off the road and there will be virtually no traffic problems. Take 100% of cyclists off the road and the roads will still be full. Therefore, the problem is not with cyclists.

As with all entrenched views though, logic is ignored and the problems must be being caused by 'them' and not 'us'

**AtW** · 8 November 2020, 20:24

0% rate of VAT does not mean product is not VATable

Same here - for NOW road tax on electric cars is 0, but that’s not for long - now on bicycles there is actually no road tax requirement at all

**Whorty** · 8 November 2020, 21:11

Originally posted by AtW View Post

0% rate of VAT does not mean product is not VATable

Same here - for NOW road tax on electric cars is 0, but that’s not for long - now on bicycles there is actually no road tax requirement at all

Bikes don't cause CO2 or similar emissions, and they don't damage the road surfaces. Pretty similar to walkers/joggers don't get taxed for walking on the footpath

Now finally we know WTFH's public persona :)