History of Allergic Reactions -

[Zigenare]

It probably causes autism too

Easily cured with a clip round the ear!

(or so I heard)

[SueEllen]

Might as well get ready now for hundreds of hysterical "side effect" articles over the next year. The fact is, when you treat perhaps 40m people in the space of a year, you are going to have tens of thousands of people get ill within a few days/weeks/months of the jab, thousands will die, some of them will die on the very next day, etc etc. All of which likely would have happened anyway, but people will convince themselves otherwise and blame the vaccine. It's unavoidable and really calls for a some press responsibility and restraint, which almost certainly won't happen.

It sounds like they had an anaphylactic reaction to the vaccine.

If you are going to react adversely to a vaccine it is most likely to be within 24 hours of having it.

1 in a million people have serious reactions to vaccines. Though I suspect the figure is skewed by the fact you are more likely to react to live vaccines if you react to vaccines.

[SueEllen]

It probably causes autism too

How will you know if a pensioner has autism or dementia?

[Zigenare]

It sounds like they had an anaphylactic reaction to the vaccine.

If you are going to react adversely to a vaccine it is most likely to be within 24 hours of having it.

1 in a million people have serious reactions to vaccines. Though I suspect the figure is skewed by the fact you are more likely to react to live vaccines if you react to vaccines.

Just a quick question, as well as being an expert on modern policing strategy, are you also medically qualified?

[mattster]

It sounds like they had an anaphylactic reaction to the vaccine.

If you are going to react adversely to a vaccine it is most likely to be within 24 hours of having it.

1 in a million people have serious reactions to vaccines. Though I suspect the figure is skewed by the fact you are more likely to react to live vaccines if you react to vaccines.

All true, no doubt. But that isn't going to stop your average punter from blaming the vaccine for a case of hemorrhoids that crops up two months after the jab, and the Express from breathlessly reporting it.

[clearedforlanding]

Listening to the radio - some emeritus professor of therapeutics is making the point that maybe those two individuals shouldn't have had the vaccine. Also if you have had a previous reaction to any other vaccine then you need to be cautious when having any more vaccines.

Maybe. A very common word with experts paid to talk on the radio.

Allergic reactions are the first think you look for in clinical trials - way before you pierce the skin in fact. This would have come out in the data set, but the FDA only requires pharmaceutical companies to publish their positive trials (Cochrane Foundation), negative trials are considered sensitive IP - seriously.

This precaution should have been made clear by the UK regulator by default.

[clearedforlanding]

It sounds like they had an anaphylactic reaction to the vaccine.

If you are going to react adversely to a vaccine it is most likely to be within 24 hours of having it.

1 in a million people have serious reactions to vaccines. Though I suspect the figure is skewed by the fact you are more likely to react to live vaccines if you react to vaccines.

Swellen, point 1 & 2 agreed.

Point 3 Until several million people have been vaccinated with THIS vaccine this statistic is meaningless.

[SueEllen]

Just a quick question, as well as being an expert on modern policing strategy, are you also medically qualified?

I'm writing what the professor has just said.

[WTFH]

Sounds like they will be wanting to monitor people for at least 15 minutes after they get the jab to check for a reaction. (and not in some marquee in the middle of a race course)

...there's a rather amusing phone call going on right now where I have heard The Wife (tm) say "it's almost like we warned of the possibility" and "is this confirmed and has it been communicated to the CCGs?".

A few of the questions this has raised:
1. If these were HCPs who were known to have anaphylactic reactions to injections, then why were they selected for day 1 of delivery, given all the media watching?
2. Were these just cases of general anaphylaxis, or something specific to this vaccine?
3. Was the reaction just psychosomatic due to it being day 1 and a new vaccine?
4. They received the vaccine in hospitals, surrounded by trained staff who are all carefully monitoring the situation and have immediate access to the correct equipment. How does that compare with the StJA team being called who arrive with a small bottle of O2?
5. Should the monitoring be for 30min to 1 hour (or longer)?

[SueEllen]

Maybe. A very common word with experts paid to talk on the radio.

He's not being paid.

Anyone can phone up talk radio. If you have some credentials they check out who you are, through with sports people it is often hilarious as the presenter doesn't know who they are. The same use to happen with some MPs.