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    #31
    Originally posted by SimonMac View Post
    Is it though? I don’t think there is enough days to prove that. I’ll agree that Muslim men are in the majority when it comes to gangs like these, but how does this compare to 20-30 white men acting individually
    The vast majority of registered sex offenders in England and Wales appear to be white men. In 2015/16, of the 6.200 defendants in child sex abuse cases, 67% were white, 4% were Asian.

    Going back to 2011, 85% of convicted child abusers were white. It seems that the modus operandi of a grooming gang is weighted proportionately more towards Asian men. But as the article below states, the data is patchy and sometimes sample sizes are too small to draw firm conclusions. However, if you took what you read in the tabloids at face value, you would think the figures must be the other way round.

    What do we know about the ethnicity of people involved in sexual offences against children? - Full Fact

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      #32
      Originally posted by vetran View Post

      Do you think if this 32 had been white and not catholic priests do you think they would have got away with it so long? Neither should get away with it.
      Clearly Catholic priests did get away with it for a very long time. The UK inquiry report quoted here mentioned 900 individuals (not all were priests, some were church volunteers):

      Child sexual abuse in Catholic church ‘swept under the carpet’, inquiry finds | Catholicism | The Guardian

      The level of abuse by priests in the USA was truly staggering, covering thousands of priests and resulted in billions of dollars of damages paid to victims:

      Catholic Church sex abuse cases in the United States - Wikipedia

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        #33
        Catholics priests, Muslims, just shows how useless religion is at improving human behaviour.
        bloggoth

        If everything isn't black and white, I say, 'Why the hell not?'
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          #34
          Originally posted by SimonMac View Post
          Is it though? I don’t think there is enough days to prove that. I’ll agree that Muslim men are in the majority when it comes to gangs like these, but how does this compare to 20-30 white men acting individually

          We have groups of paedophile Muslims in many major towns & cities. We don't have groups of African Christian, Japanese (yeah you with your Manga and schoolgirl fascination), Germans (with your extreme porn) etc. No there aren't massive numbers but they are working in gangs of 10+ which is unusual compared to the mainly solo activities of white men. If white men abuse they tend to abuse their family they don't hunt already damaged girls and share them round. None of this is acceptable.

          White perverts should make up 85% caught as 85% of the population is white (if some European) yet only 67% caught are white so either we are missing some or whites are less involved in this like they are in street robbery but over represented in burglary.

          There is something happening that means certain cultures are getting together to do this. We need to stop that.
          Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much.

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            #35
            Originally posted by xoggoth View Post
            Catholics priests, Muslims, just shows how useless religion is at improving human behaviour.
            another reason for avoiding religion.
            Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much.

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              #36
              Originally posted by vetran View Post
              Police charge 32 men from West Yorkshire with more than 150 child sex offences | Daily Mail Online



              Getting away with 13 years of that kind of behaviour. I wonder why?
              It's because West Yorkshire coppers is fick, init?
              Old Greg - In search of acceptance since Mar 2007. Hoping each leap will be his last.

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                #37
                Originally posted by vetran View Post
                We have groups of paedophile Muslims in many major towns & cities. We don't have groups of African Christian, Japanese (yeah you with your Manga and schoolgirl fascination), Germans (with your extreme porn) etc. No there aren't massive numbers but they are working in gangs of 10+ which is unusual compared to the mainly solo activities of white men. If white men abuse they tend to abuse their family they don't hunt already damaged girls and share them round. None of this is acceptable.

                White perverts should make up 85% caught as 85% of the population is white (if some European) yet only 67% caught are white so either we are missing some or whites are less involved in this like they are in street robbery but over represented in burglary.

                There is something happening that means certain cultures are getting together to do this. We need to stop that.
                Many of these gangs coming to light are for offences dating back many years. It will be interesting to see if the pattern changes in years to come given the high profile nature of the investigations and whether that has dissuaded potential offenders.

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by edison View Post
                  The vast majority of registered sex offenders in England and Wales appear to be white men. In 2015/16, of the 6.200 defendants in child sex abuse cases, 67% were white, 4% were Asian.

                  Going back to 2011, 85% of convicted child abusers were white. It seems that the modus operandi of a grooming gang is weighted proportionately more towards Asian men. But as the article below states, the data is patchy and sometimes sample sizes are too small to draw firm conclusions. However, if you took what you read in the tabloids at face value, you would think the figures must be the other way round.

                  What do we know about the ethnicity of people involved in sexual offences against children? - Full Fact
                  A more meaningful statistic would be the proportion of each race that commits these offences. It is no surprise white people are the highest number of offenders, given that white are 86% of the population(2011 census)

                  But if you are saying in 2011 that 85% of abusers are white, then that would suggest offending rates are similar across all races, and that singling out a gang of one race is misleading. No doubt the press like these non white gang stories, as they are controversial. It is also something racist groups would like, as they can accuse non whites in their propaganda.

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by vetran View Post
                    I was avoiding mentioning the ethnicity because it tends to polarise the discussion. These are perverts and racists first before thinking about their ethnicity. Don't really want the idiots blaming the EDL for it - there is of course plenty wrong with the EDL but that isn't relevant.
                    Judging by the sheer volume of child abuse - it isn't porn - videos being accessed by people in the UK it seems that it may be wishful thinking by some ignorant types that it's all backwards foreigners, but the reality is more and more people, usually men, are accessing this material. Action groups, charities and volunteer IT professionals contribute to collating the figures and filtering out what is branded as this type of abuse.

                    8.8million attempts were made to access child abuse content, of course of varying degrees of severity, in one month of the lockdown. And that's just the known portion of attempts.

                    The NYTimes article below is a good example of how a popular porn website not only enables use of underage keywords, although not necessarily providing underage abuse content, uses this to presumably gain more users. I was extremely surprised to read the article and learn that there have been a large number of videos easily accessible of children, some young teenagers, who were abused when young or have had videos they recorded of their own accord as the mistake of a naive teenager, only to be repeatedly allowed to be re-uploaded by other people.

                    There is clearly a lot of potential pedophiles out there and the colour of their skin seems to be the least significant thing about them. They're mostly male, that's the significant thing.

                    Millions of attempts to access child sexual abuse online during lockdown | Internet Watch Foundation

                    Opinion | The Children of Pornhub - The New York Times

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by vetran View Post
                      We have groups of paedophile Muslims in many major towns & cities. We don't have groups of African Christian, Japanese (yeah you with your Manga and schoolgirl fascination), Germans (with your extreme porn) etc. No there aren't massive numbers but they are working in gangs of 10+ which is unusual compared to the mainly solo activities of white men. If white men abuse they tend to abuse their family they don't hunt already damaged girls and share them round. None of this is acceptable.

                      White perverts should make up 85% caught as 85% of the population is white (if some European) yet only 67% caught are white so either we are missing some or whites are less involved in this like they are in street robbery but over represented in burglary.

                      There is something happening that means certain cultures are getting together to do this. We need to stop that.
                      Sounds like the imaginings of someone who is musing on the subject.

                      White men work together too. In fact, it is more worrying that this has migrated to the internet, because it seems that the large number of images/videos being looked at by any colour of men is so high that cases are not being chased up. Showing intent is also difficult if someone visited a website that loaded content once. The content may have been blocked by the ISP, but there's a big difference between that and a repeat offender who calculates ways to bypass the blocking.

                      My main thoughts are with the victims. They go on to self-harm, hate themselves and many end their life at a young age. It is insane that we claim to be a developed country and only bother to pursue the easy pickings. The easy picking should be investigated, but similarly we have the technology - but not the people power - to heavily investigate cases and bring people to justice.

                      How often do we read of someone who has terabytes of child abuse images and videos who then gets a year or two in jail?

                      This is before we even consider the taboo subject of true mental help. These people are severely mentally sick and clearly have something wrong with them. Imprisonment, yes, but for some it surely must be possible to change them to remorseful individuals who are able to change, as humans are capable of doing.

                      If we spoke about this topic more as a country and wider society it would make the lack of prosecutions and enforcement as galling as the leniency given to the most severe cases, simultaneously making the public wonder how the hell hardly anybody gets caught in the grand scheme of things.

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