Hmm who believes the NHS knows what its doing?

[vetran]

Coronavirus UK: Hospital Covid admissions begin rising again after lockdown relaxation | Daily Mail Online

Hospital coronavirus admissions begin rising again after lockdown relaxation - after it emerged 10,000 patients caught Covid while ALREADY on wards

• Coronavirus hospital admissions have begun to rise again after the second national lockdown was eased
• Official figures show that the rise in hospitalisations was mainly drive by increases in Tier 2 London
• Data also show that 10,000 people contracted the virus while being treated for other illnesses in hospitals

Official figures also show that more than 10,000 people acquired Covid-19 when they were being treated in hospital for other illnesses, with one NHS Trust recording that nearly 40 per cent of Covid-19 cases they were treating had been contracted in its wards.Hampshire Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust said that 139 of its 357 Covid-19 patients (nearly 40 per cent) they had treated had caught coronavirus there, while board papers showed that five patients had died.
Data submitted to NHS England by trusts with A&E departments that have treated over 100 coronavirus patients since August show that more than 16 per cent of people treated for the virus in hospital had caught it there.
Epsom and St Helier University Hospitals NHS Trust had the second highest proportion of cases, after Hampshire Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust, at 37 per cent (or 146 cases). Kingston Hospital NHS Foundation Trust recorded 34 per cent (or 91 cases).
Tameside and Glossop Integrated Care NHS Foundation Trust recorded that nearly almost 22 per cent of Covid-19 patients they had treated were hospital acquired infections.

oh dear seems no one told the virus it was like the 10pm curfew it shouldn't spread in hospitals.

[ladymuck]

And you think it's easy to isolate people coming into A&E when they don't know their covid status?

[vetran]

And you think it's easy to isolate people coming into A&E when they don't know their covid status?

Are you saying the 40% infected all caught it in A&E?

[ladymuck]

Are you saying the 40% infected all caught it in A&E?

No. That's not what I said.

[WTFH]

Ah yes, NHS to blame for government policy of chronically underfunding it, unable to get enough staff due to government inability in 4 years to secure a deal, unable to get appropriate PPE due to government policy of giving contracts to friends rather than those with experience and ability.

But there's no need to investigate that, let's just blame the NHS, then privatise it.

[DoctorStrangelove]

But there's no need to investigate that, let's just blame the NHS, then privatise it.

You are Jacob Rees Moron and I claim my five New Drachmas.

[dsc]

Our friend who's a nurse on a maternity ward in a fairly large local hospital said that none of her colleagues gave any crap about risk of transmitting back in April / May. People would not wear masks, gloves, would not wash their hands after being in contact with patients, would touch everything around them etc. You know basic things that any sane person would do, let alone staff at an NHS hospital. Not having clear government policies is one thing, but being part of NHS and not understanding the risks of transmission is another (especially if you are a nurse).

And before anyone jumps on me for blaming the NHS, I'm not saying it's entirely their fault, but some procedures (and perhaps awareness and training) in the NHS are well below what you'd expect vs countries outside the UK.

[WTFH]

Our friend who's a nurse on a maternity ward in a fairly large local hospital said that none of her colleagues gave any crap about risk of transmitting back in April / May. People would not wear masks, gloves, would not wash their hands after being in contact with patients, would touch everything around them etc. You know basic things that any sane person would do, let alone staff at an NHS hospital. Not having clear government policies is one thing, but being part of NHS and not understanding the risks of transmission is another (especially if you are a nurse).

And before anyone jumps on me for blaming the NHS, I'm not saying it's entirely their fault, but some procedures (and perhaps awareness and training) in the NHS are well below what you'd expect vs countries outside the UK.

Which trust was that at?

[Paddy]

Whatever the failings of the NHS are, privatisation is not the remedy.

[vetran]

Ah yes, NHS to blame for government policy of chronically underfunding it, unable to get enough staff due to government inability in 4 years to secure a deal, unable to get appropriate PPE due to government policy of giving contracts to friends rather than those with experience and ability.

But there's no need to investigate that, let's just blame the NHS, then privatise it.

So cross infection in hospital is due to funding, PPE and lack of cheap EU staff?

OK it just sounds a lot like the MRSA story again.

How does UK healthcare spending compare with other countries? - Office for National Statistics (ons.gov.uk)

In 2017, the UK spent £2,989 per person on healthcare, which was around the median for members of the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development: OECD (£2,913 per person).

Coronavirus: Has the NHS got enough PPE? - BBC News

Health Secretary Matt Hancock has said the amount needed each month is "absolutely vast" and in the "billions of items" ballpark.There are about 1.6 million NHS staff in UK hospitals and the community, who need varying amounts of PPE depending on the type of work they do.


PPE ordering is done on a UK-wide level, but different parts of the NHS has different levels of stock.


The government says 32 billion items, including masks, visors and gowns, have been bought and four-month PPE stockpiles will be in place for NHS frontline staff from November.


Almost three quarters of expected demand for PPE will be met by UK manufacturers from December, it says.

Don't worry we looked down the back of the sofa and found a few extra staff roughly 1.3 million.

More than 4 million applications to the EU Settlement Scheme - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)

Which is a worry as we only had 2.9 million here according to the figures.

Reality Check: How many EU nationals live in the UK? - BBC News

The UK has a population of 63.7 million, of which 5.3 million (8%) are non-British, and just over half of those - 2.9 million (5%) - are from Europe.
Just under 1.2 million UK nationals live elsewhere in the EU.