wanna be in my gang? - well you can't!

[vetran]

Aha now I see why the Daily Mail outraged.



Who needs evidence, gets in the way of entertaining court hearings.

Maybe read the following paragraph.

‘Given the negative connotations of the term, prosecutors should not refer to a group as a gang in proceedings unless there is evidence to support the assertion.

What makes a group not a gang?

GANG | meaning in the Cambridge English Dictionary

gang
noun [ C, + sing/pl verb ]

UK /ɡæŋ/ US /ɡæŋ/

B2

a group of young people, especially young men, who spend time together, often fighting with other groups and behaving badly:

Fights among rival gangs account for most murders in the city.

B2

a group of criminals who work together:

a gang of armed robbers

C2

informala group of friends:

I've made friends at my new school, but I miss the old gang.
I went out with the usual gang from college on Friday night.



a group of workers or prisoners who work together:





a gang of labourers

What they actually mean is don't refer to a gang as a criminal gang.

[BlasterBates]

Maybe read the following paragraph.



What makes a group not a gang?

GANG | meaning in the Cambridge English Dictionary


What they actually mean is don't refer to a gang as a criminal gang.

These days jurors will assume a gang is a bunch of criminals. Language changes.

[vetran]

These days jurors will assume a gang is a bunch of criminals. Language changes.

Perfect so the defence counsel can explore that and discover the evidence behind it or point it out as factually incorrect.

[edison]

Oh dear

Courts urged to avoid using the word with reference to criminals because of 'negative connotations' | Daily Mail Online


Here's an idea why not just lock a few more of the ring leaders up and the "gangs" stop existing.

In large criminal gangs, the leaders often sit at or near the top of a pyramid structure and are very well distanced from the foot soldiers on the streets. Most criminal gang members who get arrested are the small fry. There was a very eye opening chapter in the book 'Freakonomics' called 'Why Most Drug Dealers Live At Home With Their Mum' which explained this very well. There's always a willing supply of new recruits to replace those that get taken out of action at the bottom end.

[BlasterBates]

Perfect so the defence counsel can explore that and discover the evidence behind it or point it out as factually incorrect.

It's a non-story, a prosecutor can still say someone is a member of a gang. Not a problem.

[AtW]

Membership in a gang should be criminal offence in the first place

[vetran]

In large criminal gangs, the leaders often sit at or near the top of a pyramid structure and are very well distanced from the foot soldiers on the streets. Most criminal gang members who get arrested are the small fry. There was a very eye opening chapter in the book 'Freakonomics' called 'Why Most Drug Dealers Live At Home With Their Mum' which explained this very well. There's always a willing supply of new recruits to replace those that get taken out of action at the bottom end.

Precisely hitting the gang leaders is the objective

will have a peek that makes sense living at how with their mum BRUV!!

[vetran]

Looked this seems to be the original article, this seems fascinating, the Capone approach seems to be the way to target the leaders then work down from them. I wonder why we don't do that?

Why Drug Dealers Live With Their Moms - Los Angeles Times (latimes.com)

J. T.'s single largest expense was the wage he paid himself: $8,500 a month, for an annual salary of about $100,000. There were roughly 100 leaders of J. T.'s stature within the Black Disciple network. These were the drug dealers who could indeed afford to live large, or -- in the case of the board of directors -- extremely large. Each of those roughly 20 directors stood to earn about $500,000 a year.

this is sad not surprising :

A crack gang works pretty much like the standard capitalist enterprise: You have to be near the top of the pyramid to make a big wage. But selling crack is a lot more dangerous than most menial labor. Anyone who was a member of J. T.'s gang for the four years covered in the notebooks stood a 1-in-4 chance of being killed. That’s more than five times as deadly as being a timber cutter, which the Bureau of Labor Statistics calls the most dangerous job in the United States.

[vetran]

even more analysis looking at jobs.

Why Do Drug Dealers Still Live With Their Moms? | cashsingskeynes (wordpress.com)

The median income of $15,000 per year in the area Venkatesh studied further sets the reality of drug dealing into perspective (95). Children experienced poverty at a rate three times the national average, many lived in single-parent homes and college graduates were exceedingly rare. Landing a job as a janitor at the University of Chicago was considerable feat. Such a low median income is symptomatic of life in a neighborhood where “the path to a decent job was practically invisible” (95). With this in mind, it is no wonder there was such a high propensity to consider the drug trade as a career. People on the south side of Chicago were merely responding to the incentives one could enjoy by excelling in the drug trade and believed they could not be any worse off than they already were. In other words, the potential benefits far outweighed the costs.

One final statistic reveals the consequences of the crack boom: “the homicide rate among urban blacks quadrupled” (103). Drug dealing is a competitive business and violence is one way to gain stature and enhance prospects for promotion.

[Mordac]

Membership in a gang should be criminal offence in the first place

Too right...

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