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    #11
    A single week's figure doesn't really measure a country's performance. According to worldometers, of sizable countries so far, per million:

    1 Belgium 1762
    2 Slovenia 1554
    3 Bosnia and Herzegovina 1379
    4 Italy 1376
    5 Czechia 1366
    6 UK 1344
    ...
    9 USA 1232 (Although...
    New Jersey 2307
    New York 2116 )
    ...
    17 France 1082
    ...
    19 Switzerland 1015
    ...
    38 Germany 581
    Down with racism. Long live miscegenation!

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      #12
      Originally posted by NotAllThere View Post
      A single week's figure doesn't really measure a country's performance. According to worldometers, of sizable countries so far, per million:
      That's the same information that Xoggoth linked. It's pretty grim reading .

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        #13
        Sure. But doing almost twice as well as the New Jersey. (No smiley - it really is awful).
        Down with racism. Long live miscegenation!

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          #14
          Not sure how its like outside of London / South, but local hospital and surgery doesn't seem to give a rats ass about protecting their staff. I know a few doctors / nurses here and in Poland and the differences are staggering, with staff covered top to bottom in surgical gowns / masks / visors etc. in Poland, whilst over here they seem to maybe bother with a mask and one of those bin bag "gowns". Shocking really as with poor protection staff can much easier spread it to other sections of the hospital, infect other patients and generally lower the chances of recovery for a lot of people admitted to hospitals.

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            #15
            The problem is the reporting. There are no accurate numbers for 'deaths from covid' as they are only reporting 'deaths with covid' and then those figures are 'died from any reason within 28 days of a positive test' so includes those run over by a bus.

            As others have highlighted, the true impact that really matters is 'deaths due to covid' which has a far wider reaching impact than covid itself.
            Maybe tomorrow, I'll want to settle down. Until tomorrow, I'll just keep moving on.

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              #16
              Originally posted by Hobosapien View Post
              The problem is the reporting. There are no accurate numbers for 'deaths from covid' as they are only reporting 'deaths with covid' and then those figures are 'died from any reason within 28 days of a positive test' so includes those run over by a bus.
              Why don't people realise that is is important to have a standardised approach to measuring, so that trends can be reported and enacted upon (or not, as is often the case). That's what the "28 days" measurement is. No-one can/should believe this report is the complete number of deaths due to covid. For example, there's growing reports of people dying weeks after leaving hospital (long covid), and they won't be included on the 28 days report.

              As others have highlighted, the true impact that really matters is 'deaths due to covid' which has a far wider reaching impact than covid itself.
              This is largely indicated in the ONS excess death reports, but it will be impossible to ever get a precise figure.
              Last edited by Paralytic; 20 January 2021, 10:03.

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                #17
                The excess death figure is the best to use IMHO.

                The reason being as there will be people dying from cancer, heart attacks, strokes, car crashes etc who if it wasn't for the NHS being overrun with Covid patients would have survived. So in an odd way their deaths are linked to Covid even though they probably didn't have it.
                "You’re just a bad memory who doesn’t know when to go away" JR

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                  #18
                  Though the excess deaths is misleading when it doesn't include those dying from the flu, which would have been a big factor over winter, as those case numbers have either vanished (can't catch flu if managing to avoid catching covid) or are now included in covid death stats.

                  It's artificial and therefore nonsense. e.g. many of those that would have been run over by a bus are now still alive due to having stayed at home that day while in lockdown. So plenty of people have survived because of covid.

                  i.e. statistics are for numpties trying to prove something and they're always wrong.
                  Maybe tomorrow, I'll want to settle down. Until tomorrow, I'll just keep moving on.

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by dsc View Post
                    Not sure how its like outside of London / South, but local hospital and surgery doesn't seem to give a rats ass about protecting their staff. I know a few doctors / nurses here and in Poland and the differences are staggering, with staff covered top to bottom in surgical gowns / masks / visors etc. in Poland, whilst over here they seem to maybe bother with a mask and one of those bin bag "gowns". Shocking really as with poor protection staff can much easier spread it to other sections of the hospital, infect other patients and generally lower the chances of recovery for a lot of people admitted to hospitals.
                    We don't need to protect them, Covid 19 is not a high consequence infectious disease , remember? We downgraded it because of its low risk, nothing to do with the requirement by law to give employees in hazardous environments adequate protection. (of which we had none at the time of this downgrade)

                    High consequence infectious diseases (HCID) - GOV.UK

                    If being locked in for nearly a whole year (In the case of some northern cities) , and 90,000 deaths in 9 months isn't high consequence, I'm glad we are not seeing anything with consequence.

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                      #20
                      Originally posted by SueEllen View Post
                      The excess death figure is the best to use IMHO.

                      The reason being as there will be people dying from cancer, heart attacks, strokes, car crashes etc who if it wasn't for the NHS being overrun with Covid patients would have survived. So in an odd way their deaths are linked to Covid even though they probably didn't have it.
                      Yeah but your opinion is tulipe!

                      IMHO
                      Old Greg - In search of acceptance since Mar 2007. Hoping each leap will be his last.

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