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Polling guru Curtice warns Sturgeon on course to tear UK apart with SNP independence

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    #31
    Should the Scottish government negotiate with the UK government now so that the voters know what they are really voting for? Isn't that what was learned from BREXIT?

    The SNP were categorically against "No Deal". If the UK government simply refuses to negotiate or offers an appallingly one-sided deal, should Holyrood still proceed?

    Scotland exports to EU - 20%.
    Scotland "exports" to UK - 60%.

    Wasn't putting up barriers between your largest export market one of the main arguments against BREXIT?

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      #32
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      Originally posted by TestMangler View Post
      Interesting question. Based on the fact that the Tories under Cameron slashed spending, like DLA, to save the country £2.1Billion, I'm surprised that Tory leadership or at least one Tory MP isn't shouting from the rooftops to have Scotland removed from the union (by democratic means of course).

      Strange that, innit. Not one !
      Clue's in the official name.

      Conservative and Unionist Party HTH.
      But I discovered nothing else but depraved, excessive superstition. Pliny the younger

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        #33
        Originally posted by tomtomagain View Post
        Wasn't putting up barriers between your largest export market one of the main arguments against BREXIT?
        Scotland holds all the cards.

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          #34
          Originally posted by AtW View Post
          Scotland holds all the cards.
          Really? Citation required...
          Blog? What blog...?

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            #35
            Originally posted by tomtomagain View Post
            Should the Scottish government negotiate with the UK government now so that the voters know what they are really voting for? Isn't that what was learned from BREXIT?

            The SNP were categorically against "No Deal". If the UK government simply refuses to negotiate or offers an appallingly one-sided deal, should Holyrood still proceed?

            Scotland exports to EU - 20%.
            Scotland "exports" to UK - 60%.

            Wasn't putting up barriers between your largest export market one of the main arguments against BREXIT?
            Brexit has put the UK into a fast sinking economy. £80ml has been paid to Nissan just to keep them in the UK and the government advises UK companies to setup branches in the EU to avoid red tape. Every Brexit promise has been broken. Scotland has a choice; either to be dragged down by the UK or revert to be a member of an upward moving economy.

            As inevitable Scottish independence is, also the inevitability is that the UK, or be it England & Wales will end up joining the sigle market and customs union. Every month dithering and Brexiters burring their heads in the sand costs money and jobs.
            "A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims, but accomplices," George Orwell

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              #36
              Originally posted by AtW View Post
              GDP would be a lot higher if house prices were like in South of England



              Annual contribution could remain the same - to keep the naval base open, unless England would choose to give up nuclear deterrent.

              Anyway, putting a price on liberty is a bit pathetic

              Why do you think the house prices in the south are so high? Oh yes people live & work there.

              Plenty of synthetic scots who wear a Kilt to weddings but live down here because there are no jobs north of the border despite the years of devolved government.

              The one thing the Scottish could do is build industry and an economic strategy so locals would want to stay there.
              Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much.

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                #37
                Originally posted by vetran View Post
                Why do you think the house prices in the south are so high? Oh yes people live & work there.
                Actually it's simply because you aren't building enough houses.

                Round here you can easily find an IT job paying £60k and house prices that ensures that will allow you to buy a 3/4 bedroom detached house on that money.
                merely at clientco for the entertainment

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by vetran View Post
                  Plenty of synthetic scots who wear a Kilt to weddings but live down here because there are no jobs north of the border despite the years of devolved government.
                  That's not nice way to talk about shaunbhoy...

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by Paddy View Post
                    revert to be a member
                    Just to be clear, so that you don't take me for some swivelled-eyed BREXIT loon, I voted REMAIN. Good. Got that out of the way.

                    Scotland cannot "revert" to being a member, it was never a member of the EU. The terms that the UK was a member of the EU are unlikely to be "on-the-table" for any new joiner.

                    Would the terms that Scotland joins the EU on be negotiated before or after it completes separation from the UK? So that the Scottish people know what they are voting for?

                    Would independent Scotland need a referendum on joining the EU? Or is it a given that voting to leave the UK is also a vote to re-join the EU?

                    We've all just seen how exceptionally difficult leaving a political union is even after just 40 years of membership. How hard do you think it will be to leave one after 300 years, leave your currency, put up a border between yourself and 60% of your exports and try to join the EU?

                    At least with leaving the EU there was some sort of leaving process defined in law. There's a legal process for triggering a referendum in the UK, but is there any defined "leaving" process?

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by eek View Post
                      Actually it's simply because you aren't building enough houses.

                      Round here you can easily find an IT job paying £60k and house prices that ensures that will allow you to buy a 3/4 bedroom detached house on that money.

                      Or so many have left you have an excess of houses?

                      Scottish independence: The Scots in England who want Scotland to go it alone - BBC News

                      Hundreds of thousands of Scottish-born people live south of the border. And despite making England their home, some want to see an end to the union.There are more Scots in England than any city in Scotland.


                      It might sound surprising, but according to the latest census figures, there are about 750,000 people born in Scotland who live south of the border. That's more than the population of Edinburgh or Glasgow.
                      To be fair you are building more homes than England per capita. We need > 3 million homes after decades of uncontrolled immigration.

                      Housing statistics 2019: key trends summary - gov.scot

                      But average wage is higher in England and when you get out of the home counties you can buy a decent house for ~ £100k.

                      If you think you would earn more if you lived in England you might well be right - Wales Online

                      Average (median) gross pay in Wales stood last year at just £21,500, compared with £23,154 in Scotland, £23,743 in England, £29,666 in London and a UK figure of £23,474.
                      Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much.

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