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"I hope Celtic realise that, if their team is good enough, they will win. If they're not good enough, they'll not win - and they can't look at anybody else, whether it is referees or any other influence." - Walter Smith
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Originally posted by rhubarb View PostArse elbow
Rhubarb.
"I hope Celtic realise that, if their team is good enough, they will win. If they're not good enough, they'll not win - and they can't look at anybody else, whether it is referees or any other influence." - Walter Smith
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Originally posted by Incognito View PostNo the presumption is 'some' people will lie, otherwise we're as well just scrapping passports and trusting people to be honest about them being British.Comment
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Btw I remain keen to debate these issues - it is genuinely rare for me to find somone to put the case in favour.Comment
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Originally posted by Peoplesoft bloke View PostBtw I remain keen to debate these issues - it is genuinely rare for me to find somone to put the case in favour."Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny. "
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Originally posted by Ruprect View PostI wish that were true - have you tried talking to any Labour MPs?Comment
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Originally posted by Peoplesoft bloke View PostPassports are an entirely different matter with an entirely different function and in particular they are voluntary. The presumption of innocence demands that if you think I'm lying about who I am, it's up to you to prove it, and that's how it should be.
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The sole purpose is to provide the identity and nationality of its holder. Is it any different from an ID card? (Forgetting the fact they're compulsory)"I hope Celtic realise that, if their team is good enough, they will win. If they're not good enough, they'll not win - and they can't look at anybody else, whether it is referees or any other influence." - Walter Smith
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If we're all going to be complete pedants and lets face it in IT we are...
From security point of view (101)
Identification: Who are you?
Authentication: Verification of the identity.
So an ID card simply needs to contain your name...
I'm happy to carry around something with my name on it in-case I forget...
An authentication card? Now that's an entirely different ball game!
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Originally posted by Incognito View PostIf you went to open a bank account, would you take it personally that the bank doesn't believe who you said you were unless you produced ID and a utility bill?
As usual, ordinary people like me with nothing to hide (let's remember we are the vast majority) are treated with suspicion and required to produce proofs of everything. Because we are good boys and girls, we go along with it. Does it do anything to stop money laundering, criminality and ID theft? - not much, but it gives the illusion something's being done and is cheaper and easier than getting the Police and other authorities to actually go after the real offenders.
Having created this unnecessary (for the vast majority) requirement, the government and civil service come along with a "solution". Let us (the government) manage your identity, and sell you a card which we will all pretend proves who you are, (even though we know it doesn't). As usual, the law abiding, and people who don't think they have anything to hide, dutifully cough up, pay their ID tax and are inconvenienced each time some jobsworth demands their papers, each time the system is down, they lose their card, or forget to tell the government they have moved. They worry each time the incompetent civil service loses parts of the data held. Meanwhile, business as usual for criminals and illegal immigrants - why would they need to open a bank account, pay money to Hector, or any of the other things we'll need a card for?
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Originally posted by Incognito View PostThe sole purpose is to provide the identity and nationality of its holder. Is it any different from an ID card? (Forgetting the fact they're compulsory)
Secondly, as I understand it, until recently there's been no particular requirement for a passport to positively identify you, rather it offers evidence that you have an entitlement to cross borders, so I do think there's a fundamental difference.
Thirdly, a passport allows me to trade money and privacy for travel - i.e. there is some benefit to me in having one.Comment
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I think everybody should have ID cards and be implanted with ID chips.
Nuff said.Confusion is a natural state of beingComment
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