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    Would it be such a bad thing?

    Imagine a world like in the H G Wells book A Modern Utopia:


    Herbert George Wells (1866 - 1946) was an English novelist, journalist, sociologist and historian.

    Wells' Modern Utopia was first published in 1905. It set the scene for many modern, scientific utopias and dystopias. The story is set on a planet very like earth. The Utopian Planet differs from earth in that the inhabitants have created a perfect society. Two men, the narrator and his colleague (a botanist), visit this parallel planet and argue over its merits and defects.

    Utopia is a world in which the problems of humanity have been solved. People live healthy, happy lives in cities where all human needs are met. Science and technology frees people from toil and enables them to enjoy security and innovation.

    Wells' utopia is neither democratic nor equal. He draws on the utopias of Plato, More, and Bacon. He advocates a scientific kind of socialism, rooted in the idea that the world is orderly, knowable and controllable.

    The state is ruled by the Samurai. Like Plato's Guardians, the Samurai are a moral and spiritual ruling class. They lead an ascetic (disciplined and morally strict) life, governed by the Rule. The Samurai carry out their government duties but their main business is the development of science and philosophy. Anybody that proves themselves to be able to follow the Rule is allowed to become one of the Samuari.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NetwkSupport View Post
    Utopia is a world in which the problems of humanity have been solved. People live healthy, happy lives in cities where all human needs are met. Science and technology frees people from toil and enables them to enjoy security and innovation.

    Wells' utopia is neither democratic nor equal. He draws on the utopias of Plato, More, and Bacon. He advocates a scientific kind of socialism, rooted in the idea that the world is orderly, knowable and controllable.
    It sounds like an utterly boring place to live.

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    Where would I spend all of my money?
    I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt, not that fancy store-bought dirt... I can't compete with that stuff.

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    The problem with Utopian theories is the assumption that everyone wants a Utopia.

    Some people have a desire to oppress, harm, exploit. The sooner the hippies get used to that the better we'll all be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NetwkSupport View Post
    Would it be such a bad thing?

    Imagine a world like in the H G Wells book A Modern Utopia:
    Switzerland?

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    Quote Originally Posted by expat View Post
    Switzerland?
    Skiing, watches, and Toblerone? Great. I'm in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by London75 View Post
    The problem with Utopian theories is the assumption that everyone wants a Utopia.

    Some people have a desire to oppress, harm, exploit. The sooner the hippies get used to that the better we'll all be.
    That's true. And even in democracies, those are often the people who rise to power, indeed the people who have already done so.

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    And in fact, we are all on this forum actively working against a Utopian society in working for more money than we really need at the expense of others.

    Whether, as in my case, it means the money that goes to me should be going into the pension funds of the permies that have just been told they are no longer getting final salary pensions or to the policy holders of this insurance company in reduced premiums improving their quality of life.

    There should be no socialist on these forums, socialist contractor is an oxymoron.

    Now why do I equate Utopia with Socialism, maybe I have problems!

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    Actually that brings me to another point.

    If anyone has read the book Gomorrah by Roberto Saviano about the Italian Mafia it makes a rather large point at the end...

    The mafia operations/activities are not a reconised as crimes in the UK.....Aberdeen is a hotbed of Mafia infiltration....anyone else wondering how far their reach goes in the UK now...goevernment level ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NetwkSupport View Post
    Actually that brings me to another point.

    If anyone has read the book Gomorrah by Roberto Saviano about the Italian Mafia it makes a rather large point at the end...

    The mafia operations/activities are not a reconised as crimes in the UK.....Aberdeen is a hotbed of Mafia infiltration....anyone else wondering how far their reach goes in the UK now...goevernment level ?
    Money laundering, demanding money with menaces and murder are not recognised as crimes on the UK? Bring it on, time for a career change.
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