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J K Rowling was on benefits when she wrote the first Harry Potter book, and I bet that's raked in a few quid for the taxman over the years. Let alone all the jobs it's created.Comment
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Originally posted by dang65 View PostJ K Rowling was on benefits when she wrote the first Harry Potter book, and I bet that's raked in a few quid for the taxman over the years. Let alone all the jobs it's created.
Quality economics at work..............it is only fair!
“The period of the disintegration of the European Union has begun. And the first vessel to have departed is Britain”Comment
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Originally posted by dang65 View PostJ K Rowling was on benefits when she wrote the first Harry Potter book, and I bet that's raked in a few quid for the taxman over the years. Let alone all the jobs it's created.
Unfortunately, the majority of people on long term benefits do not use this as an example. If they did, maybe the welfare state wouldn't be such a draw on our economy.Comment
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Originally posted by shaunbhoy View PostNo doubt. And if people like Tarkers get their way, she will be taxed at an exorbitant enough rate in future to make her emigrate. Then the taxman can recoup 50-80% of the fook all she leaves behind.
Quality economics at work..............it is only fair!
Someone leaving in order to evade tax should expect to be taxed before being allowed to leave, on the projected earnings on which they ought to be paying tax. If Rowling wrote Harry Potter in the UK, the tax revenue on income from Harry Potter rightfully belongs to the UK.
The EU is planning to implement a framework of exit taxes for this.....Step outside posh boyComment
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Originally posted by Tarquin Farquhar View PostThat is why I would advocate an exit tax on those leaving the country, so that the State can safeguard its revenue rights.
Someone leaving in order to evade tax should expect to be taxed before being allowed to leave, on the projected earnings on which they ought to be paying tax. If Rowling wrote Harry Potter in the UK, the tax revenue on income from Harry Potter rightfully belongs to the UK.
The EU is planning to implement a framework of exit taxes for this.....
The new phrase for Britain "Illegal Emmigrants"Let us not forget EU open doors immigration benefits IT contractors more than anyoneComment
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Originally posted by Weltchy View PostThis is a lonely example of the welfare state working as it should be, providing a helping hand to someone in need. Yes, she has made a lot of money from the sale of her books and paid sufficient amounts in tax, in addition to making charitable donations and the like.
Unfortunately, the majority of people on long term benefits do not use this as an example. If they did, maybe the welfare state wouldn't be such a draw on our economy.
Of course there are spongers, just as there are corrupt politicians, coppers, contractors, bankers etc etc. If they are doing something illegal then report them. There is a hotline number you can call. If they are not doing anything illegal, but you feel they are being given too much for nothing then try living on that "too much" for a few weeks and see how you get on.
In the end, yes, there will be cases where people, usually absurdly large families, appear to rake in an absolute fortune for doing nothing. For a start, those cases are not the norm, which is why they get concentrated media coverage when they do happen, and secondly, I'm not sure that anyone beyond some kind of massive industrialist dynasty could afford to raise families that big without help. I've got four kids myself and it's touch and go financially every month even on a massive contractor's income (plus Child Benefit).
Obviously, the response will be, "well, they shouldn't be allowed to have such big families," but that's not the sort of restriction we allow in our society, at the moment.Comment
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Originally posted by dang65 View PostDo you have any statistics to back that up? I know plenty of people who studied or retrained while they were unemployed and claiming benefits, allowing them to get work and contribute far more than they ever took out. There are many, many other examples of writers, musicians, artists, inventors and voluntary workers who have survived on benefits and then made a lot of money from what they learned or created while claiming.
Of course there are spongers, just as there are corrupt politicians, coppers, contractors, bankers etc etc. If they are doing something illegal then report them. There is a hotline number you can call. If they are not doing anything illegal, but you feel they are being given too much for nothing then try living on that "too much" for a few weeks and see how you get on.
In the end, yes, there will be cases where people, usually absurdly large families, appear to rake in an absolute fortune for doing nothing. For a start, those cases are not the norm, which is why they get concentrated media coverage when they do happen, and secondly, I'm not sure that anyone beyond some kind of massive industrialist dynasty could afford to raise families that big without help. I've got four kids myself and it's touch and go financially every month even on a massive contractor's income (plus Child Benefit).
Obviously, the response will be, "well, they shouldn't be allowed to have such big families," but that's not the sort of restriction we allow in our society, at the moment.
Back to your comment amount statistics. It would be interesting to see what any statistics reveal, to ensure that neither of our views are skewed by our own perception and bias. If I was not working, perhaps I'd spend an hour or two looking for them.Comment
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Originally posted by Weltchy View PostBack to your comment about statistics. It would be interesting to see what any statistics reveal, to ensure that neither of our views are skewed by our own perception and bias. If I was not working, perhaps I'd spend an hour or two looking for them.Comment
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Originally posted by dang65 View PostWell, I think the point is that there are no statistics. The papers will say, "2 million dole scroungers get free houses" or whatever, but these are just random and meaningless numbers. Like you, I spent a short time on the dole (in the early 80s), but I had no responsibilities then and was able to take a rubbish low-paid job and still be much better off financially. If I had a family and a house and kids at local schools and then ended up on the dole and only know how to, say, machine parts for generators in the local factory which had just shut down, then I imagine things would be a little more complicated.
Surely the purpose of the welfare state is to give people like this the oppotunity to improve and enrich their lives and still provide the ability to contribute to society and not have to rely on state hand-outs. If you've been on the dole for a few month's, you must understand how easy it would be to give in and say "Bugger it, i'll let someone else do the work and i'll live off them".
The statistics, if they existed, might say the situation is as bad as I think it is, or maybe not, however the system itself is wrong. Do we leave it as it is, or should we fix it?
Changing the subject slightly, but still on the question of how we decide to vote, my old man used to have a saying.
"Never put off until tomorrow, something that can be done today"
If we link this into the policy of holding off fixing the economy until next year, then maybe that's a mistake. My thinking behind this is you cannot know with certainty what will happen in the future. If we can do something to fix the economy now, we should!Last edited by Weltchy; 28 April 2010, 10:49.Comment
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