Take home pay

[MaryPoppins]

The solution to this is permiedoom or joining a consultancy; sounds like he wants the best of both worlds without making the effort.

I think that's incredibly unfair Mich.

[MarillionFan]

If you're starting out or in a junior position this is a good start.

I have been lucky to know some very successful contractors who started from nothing. One a member of this board with no background and no qualifications found himself with a kid at 19 and just started from the bottom and worked his way up.

Another ex-forces, took a £15000 job only 7 years ago is now head of the entire DBA team for a major retail FMCG on over £120k per year.

Everyone has to start somewhere.

( I mentored both)

[gingerjedi]

It might be well paid for his skillset, thats not the point.
I cant imagine contracting on it, not by a million miles

Would it shock you to know I worked for 6 months last year on a lower rate than that, when there is literally feck all and the rates make travel/digs uneconomical there's little choice if you want to keep a roof over your family's head.

Believe me I wanted to take the "I'm not work for that attitude" but I had no choice.

[Mich the Tester]

I think that's incredibly unfair Mich.

Not unfair at all; I'm advising him to budget for training and other costs that he hasn't considered. He needs to learn.

[SupremeSpod]

If you're starting out or in a junior position this is a good start.

I have been lucky to know some very successful contractors who started from nothing. One a member of this board with no background and no qualifications found himself with a kid at 19 and just started from the bottom and worked his way up.

Another ex-forces, took a £15000 job only 7 years ago is now head of the entire DBA team for a major retail FMCG on over £120k per year.

Everyone has to start somewhere.

( I mentored both)

Mentored : ran to the tea/coffee machine and collected the barmcakes from the bakery at lunchtime.

Hth.

On a serious note MF, I'm sure you got a lot of satisfaction from the process.

[Xenophon]

He needs to learn.

Good grief.

[Mich the Tester]

Well alright, I guess I've won the Barsteward of the Day Prize.

[Saddo]

The solution to this is permiedoom or joining a consultancy; sounds like he wants the best of both worlds without making the effort.

That sounds a bit unfair to me. We all had to start somewhere and if we are still around we learnt from those early experiences. Getting experience on your CV is far more valuable than any hourly/daily rate, providing you don't draw attention to the rate (or if appropriate the demeaning nature of the engagement - perfectly okay to describe a sh1te shoveller as a hygiene attendant in my book) when seeking future appointments.

[gingerjedi]

The bottom end is over-run with people who can fix PC's and do a bit of admin, people who digressed from these roles have found themselves falling back in the downturn. Most of the tech outsourcers only take on temps/contractors, the big players like EDS and Fujitsu can't take on permies because they've just laid off thousands.

This has caused a market rate collapse, ever wonder why you don't see lower/middle end IT jobs advertised? No need when every agent has 1,000's of CV's for every position.

[Saddo]

Well alright, I guess I've won the Barsteward of the Day Prize.

Day?