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Originally posted by EternalOptimist View Postmmm, they are both the same.
different motives, but they behave the same and have the same outcomes.Comment
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Originally posted by mudskipper View PostThey only have the same outcome if there isn't a God. If there is, the believer goes to heaven, and the non-believer goes to hell. Or is that an over simplification?
So there must be some sort of levels in heaven and hell.
I find it very freaky that, according to the bible, Hitler might be in heaven!Comment
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Originally posted by mudskipper View PostThey only have the same outcome if there isn't a God. If there is, the believer goes to heaven, and the non-believer goes to hell. Or is that an over simplification?
now are changing the rules, introducing a God on top of a belief in a God.
If there is a God, there is no better. just do what he says, no question
if he says kill 10 billion people, just do it.
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Americans will never forget the first time human beings set foot on the moon. Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin touched down on July 20, 1969.
Armstrong took the first step and said, “That’s one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind.” An entire planet probably trembled with a new awareness of God and His vast creation.
But more was happening during this amazing time. Shortly after the men landed, Aldrin radioed NASA and asked for a moment of silence so that “each person listening in (could) contemplate the events of the last few hours.” During this quiet period, Aldrin opened little plastic packages containing bread and wine, silently read a few verses of Scripture and received communion. “It was interesting to think that the first liquid ever poured on the moon and the first food eaten there were the Christian communion,” Aldrin said later.
Only the pastor at Aldrin’s Houston Presbyterian church—and a few NASA personnel—knew that communion was happening on the moon. Why? Because the famous atheist, Madelyn Murray O’Hare, was involved in a legal fight protesting the reading of Scripture by the Apollo 8 crew. To broadcast a private communion in a very public arena might create even more challenges, and dull the luster of this accomplishment. So Aldrin was asked to “keep it quiet,” which he did.Comment
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Originally posted by Cliphead View PostWe keep on being told that religion, whatever its imperfections, at least instills morality. On every side, there is conclusive evidence that the contrary is the case and that faith causes people to be more mean, more selfish, and perhaps above all, more stupid.
Christopher Hitchens.Originally posted by Cliphead View PostJust about any conflict you can mention will have religion as the basis.Originally posted by Cliphead View PostWhat can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.Coffee's for closersComment
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Originally posted by Cliphead View PostJust about any conflict you can mention will have religion as the basis.
Vietnam vs Cambodia
Rewandan genocide
World wars 1 and 2.
Historically, a minority of wars have been fought with religion as the basis. The basis of most wars is a desire for power and wealth.
Originally posted by Cliphead View Post... faith causes people to be more mean, more selfish, and perhaps above all, more stupid.
Originally posted by mudskipper View PostWhich person is 'better'?
The person who goes through life being good and nice to get a ticket to heaven
The person who goes through life being good and nice for no expected reward
With Islam, similarly.
With Christianity you get a ticket to heaven by faith in Jesus - not by being good. Though being bad is usually cited as evidence of not really having faith.
With Islam there is no ticket to heaven, it's entirely down to Allah's mercy - at least in the majority theological intepretation.
Oh look. More ignorance about religion.Down with racism. Long live miscegenation!Comment
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Originally posted by NotAllThere View PostVietnam vs China
Vietnam vs Cambodia
Rewandan genocide
World wars 1 and 2.
Historically, a minority of wars have been fought with religion as the basis. The basis of most wars is a desire for power and wealth.
On the other hand, atheism, on the above evidence, causes people, blinded by their irrational hatred of religion, to be extraordinarily ignorant about history and sociology. And, indeed, religion.
With Christianity, the desire to be good is driven out of love for God - not expected reward.
With Islam, similarly.
With Christianity you get a ticket to heaven by faith in Jesus - not by being good. Though being bad is usually cited as evidence of not really having faith.
With Islam there is no ticket to heaven, it's entirely down to Allah's mercy - at least in the majority theological intepretation.
Oh look. More ignorance about religion.Comment
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Originally posted by NotAllThere View PostWith Christianity, the desire to be good is driven out of love for God - not expected reward.Comment
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Originally posted by mudskipper View PostIt seems odd to me that God would turn away a good person who didn't believe in Jesus. Allah sounds a bit more rational in this regard.Comment
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