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    Of course there's limits, I'm just not in for complete segregation. The limits are, however, often too defined by money and facility rather than what is possible or our ability to think of an solution.

    For example, in the school I talked about before, the kids that run around and that are generally disruptive are made to wear sand vests. It's controversial in the UK, but it works. You can buy them I'm sure. I've seen it used first hand and even the disruptive children volunteer wearing them. There's almost a relief on their faces as it like a switch and they are now free to concentrate. It throws a different perspective on your thought process, there's a want to be educated but this illness gets in the way and the children someone know it even if it does not show on the surface.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scooterscot View Post
    Of course there's limits, I'm just not in for complete segregation. The limits are, however, often too defined by money and facility rather than what is possible or our ability to think of an solution.

    For example, in the school I talked about before, the kids that run around and that are generally disruptive are made to wear sand vests. It's controversial in the UK, but it works. You can buy them I'm sure. I've seen it used first hand and even the disruptive children volunteer wearing them. There's almost a relief on their faces as it like a switch and they are now free to concentrate. It throws a different perspective on your thought process, there's a want to be educated but this illness gets in the way and the children someone know it even if it does not show on the surface.

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-...ldren-11882550
    Back in the day we used to smack kids round the head when they got up and ran around.

    What that did was focus their minds on the task in hand and also reinforced the need to think before you randomly decide to get up and run around when you should be sat down working.

    Sandvest? if it works then....

    Would you be happy for your child to have that?

    Maybe a ball gag for kids who cannot control their sound output?

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    So you see physical punishment and ball gags as different?

    That kind of thing is all the same to me.
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    I mean what he does behind closed doors with his adult partners...


    ADHD is hugely over-reported although we can say parenting styles might mean it is genuinely more prevalent, or that in the past sufferers were just viewed as "naughty". Just because hitting someone stops them being noisy doesn't mean they are 'cured' possibly just traumatised.
    Obviously those subjected to corporal punishment have grown up to be wonderful pillars of the financial, political and entertainment industries

    Interestingly, or sadly, Autism definitely IS far more prevalent than in the past.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cojak View Post
    So you see physical punishment and ball gags as different?

    That kind of thing is all the same to me.
    Is it any different from making their wear a vest full of sand?

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    Quote Originally Posted by d000hg View Post
    I mean what he does behind closed doors with his adult partners...


    ADHD is hugely over-reported although we can say parenting styles might mean it is genuinely more prevalent, or that in the past sufferers were just viewed as "naughty". Just because hitting someone stops them being noisy doesn't mean they are 'cured' possibly just traumatised.
    Obviously those subjected to corporal punishment have grown up to be wonderful pillars of the financial, political and entertainment industries

    Interestingly, or sadly, Autism definitely IS far more prevalent than in the past.
    The 'smack' works due to the short sharp shock you get which hurts and makes you think - I did not like that why did it happen and how can I try and make sure it does not happen again?

    Kids are very resilient but note I do not condone repeated smacks as that does lead to the wrong sort of behaviours being re-enforced.

    I wonder why Autism is more prevalent now?

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    ADHD tends to run in families and, in most cases, it's thought the genes you inherit from your parents are a significant factor in developing the condition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarillionFan View Post
    So been attending the special unit for the last theee months for one day a week. For the other days two hours a day in mainstream (last month 1.5 hours) to be upped 15 minutes a week.

    He doesn’t go in the class anymore sitting in a library with a 121. Not been to an assembly in a year and only just been allowed to have a playtime (we’d been picking him up just before). Can’t do clubs, can’t do lunchtimes, can’t do supermarkets, lost most of his friends now.

    His draft EHCP has come through. 20 hours one to one in mainstream. So now rejecting that. School says he will need to leave as he now isn’t getting the curriculum.

    With that draft I have now spent the last week having to visit special needs and behavioural schools. Some are like prisons, some like a one star motel Scooter would have stayed in, some religious, some normal looking.Quirky kids, slow kids, ADHD kids, kids wearing ear defenders, kids shouting, kids being restrained, loud kids, rude kids, special kids.

    The school we went to today is good, up until eleven. A lot of schools will keep them until 18, but this was for juniors and seemed the best fit. They can deal with kids flipping out.

    I asked how many kids went into mainstream when they leave this school. They said 4 in four years. 4! ******* four. I have to admit I cried.

    So a special school next. I know where this will eventually go. I hate this thread.
    MF - sorry to hear that.

    We have some friends with an autistic child and been through very similar experiences as you. Their son is now at a specialist school and loves it, he is doing very well. Bredon School.

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    Quote Originally Posted by original PM View Post
    The 'smack' works due to the short sharp shock you get which hurts and makes you think - I did not like that why did it happen and how can I try and make sure it does not happen again?

    Kids are very resilient but note I do not condone repeated smacks as that does lead to the wrong sort of behaviours being re-enforced.

    I wonder why Autism is more prevalent now?
    The smack works to stop the behaviour there and then. Your thought process is that it acts as a deterrent. But have a child that doesn't use short-term memory processing (which is what happens with ADHD), the child gets up jumps around and you belt them. A few minutes later they do it again. It's because they're memory processing of 'what happened last time' is flawed and so the impulse kicks in before the thinking about it.

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    My eldest has had behaviour problems all his life. Things recently have gone from bad, to worse, to rock bottom - but as a result he has finally been allocated a key worker and seems to be getting some help.

    He's been referred him to an adult ADHD centre - waiting list 12-13 months. He'll be dead or in prison by then.

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