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Originally posted by Gentile View PostI'm not sure it's healthy that someone who is privileged enough to be able to live and work in Zurich should have such strong views about who gets to live in the capital of a country they don't even reside in or pay tax towards. Of course, if you do pay taxes here, you're entitled to think what you like about how your taxes get spent. Even if as in this case I would happen to disagree with you. I don't think anyone should be forced to move hundreds of miles from the communities they've grown up in and are familiar with just because the local council can't afford to house them. Policies like that are how ghettos from which there's no hope of social advancement develop.
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Originally posted by The Spartan View PostBut then if you live on a lovely estate and have people living in the neighbourhood who don't give a toss as it's not their property, so they have parties, block the street with cars they're fixing up and have piles of junk in the garden. Is it really fair on those people who have bought in that area?Comment
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Originally posted by Gentile View PostI'm not sure it's healthy that someone who is privileged enough to be able to live and work in Zurich should have such strong views about who gets to live in the capital of a country they don't even reside in or pay tax towards. Of course, if you do pay taxes here, you're entitled to think what you like about how your taxes get spent. Even if as in this case I would happen to disagree with you. I don't think anyone should be forced to move hundreds of miles from the communities they've grown up in and are familiar with just because the local council can't afford to house them. Policies like that are how ghettos from which there's no hope of social advancement develop.
why should anybody's taxes go on housing people more expensively than it needs to be? fact is if you are a charity case then accept that you get what you are given not what you want.Comment
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Originally posted by original PM View PostPlease just stop giving lazy fe<kers an excuse - everybody gets the chance to have an education - ok not everyone's home life is sweet n cozy (mine wasn't) but also there are plenty of chavs that come from middle class pampered backgrounds.
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Originally posted by original PM View Postand also why not??
why should anybody's taxes go on housing people more expensively than it needs to be? fact is if you are a charity case then accept that you get what you are given not what you want.
In answer to your specific question, though, the reason I think people shouldn't be forced to move hundreds of miles from the communities they know and have grown up is the same reason that people shouldn't have been subjected to forced migration during the Stalin era. By applying such a draconian policy and forcing people to move out to the sticks where housing may be cheap but there's no industry and no jobs, you create ghetto communities that don't have the same opportunities for employment as more prosperous regions. If you think that's OK, then fine, I'm happy to disagree with you.Comment
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Originally posted by mudskipper View PostThe problem with that sort of policy is that you don't get a good community mix. Is it healthy to have entire areas (the whole of the south east?) where there are no poor people?
I'd say that if you've grown up in an area, you should be able to stay there. But you should be discouraged from moving to an expensive area just coz you fancy it.
However with a small purse is it fair paying for someone who has never worked or has no prospect of working to live in a 6 bedroom house in a nice area when a similar family that works couldn't afford it?
It's a cap, the result is rent's will fall and there will be an exodus from London.
What they need to do is create employment elsewhere (which I'll admit the previous government actually did by moving Government departments out of London) and move people out to these new jobs.
If the workers move out of London then wages will rise or be taken by people living in cheaper housing.Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much.Comment
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Originally posted by Gentile View PostWhy should anyone support anyone else in society? You could argue that point all day. But there's no denying that the countries that do adopt socially-responsible policies (e.g., the Scandinavian countries) are regularly rated much nicer places to live than countries that don't (the USA, the UK). They have less crime, the average standard of living is comparatively high, and they're safe to live in.
In answer to your specific question, though, the reason I think people shouldn't be forced to move hundreds of miles from the communities they know and have grown up is the same reason that people shouldn't have been subjected to forced migration during the Stalin era. By applying such a draconian policy and forcing people to move out to the sticks where housing may be cheap but there's no industry and no jobs, you create ghetto communities that don't have the same opportunities for employment as more prosperous regions. If you think that's OK, then fine, I'm happy to disagree with you.
It is about getting the people in the right level of property with the relevant infrastructure to support them.
But also giving them a need to get off their asses and become a productive member of society.Comment
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One of London's strengths is that poor and rich live cheek by jowl.
Look at Fulham, parts of Chelsea, Battersea or Clapham, Tower Hamlets.
It's healthier that way - look at Paris for a counterexample where the poor ar shoved into banlieus (sp?), leading to no-go areas and sink estates.
London used to have these no-go areas in the 80s: Chalkhill, stonebridge Park, Tottenham - they were all demolished and converted into mixed use social housing with good results.Hard Brexit now!
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Originally posted by original PM View PostIt's a far point - but we are taking extremes - one the one had we have the people living in Chelsea etc - which is not acceptable due to the high rent - on the other hand you are saying the only alternative is to house them in out of town estates with no jobs etc - this is also not acceptable.
It is about getting the people in the right level of property with the relevant infrastructure to support them.
But also giving them a need to get off their asses and become a productive member of society.Comment
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