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    Its a different matter if you live here and see how it is perceived.

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    Quote Originally Posted by norrahe View Post
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    Its a different matter if you live here and see how it is perceived.
    So you're denying it then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarillionFan View Post
    So you're denying it then?
    I don't particularly care about it.

    I find it amusing that such a reserved and god fearing country have this.

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    I know a few black people in NL and none of them are really very happy about Zwarte Piet, but they also have better things to do with their lives than complain or protest about it. I think they just tolerate it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mich the Tester View Post
    I know a few black people in NL and none of them are really very happy about Zwarte Piet, but they also have better things to do with their lives than complain or protest about it. I think they just tolerate it.
    I was quite shocked when I first saw it, but then I used to live in a country that is PC gone mad.

    It's got a lot of history going back to slavery etc... but this isn't going to change overnight.

    So you just accept that its there and move on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by norrahe View Post
    I was quite shocked when I first saw it, but then I used to live in a country that is PC gone mad.

    It's got a lot of history going back to slavery etc... but this isn't going to change overnight.

    So you just accept that its there and move on.
    Yep, that's exactly what black friends say. Somehow I think that's a more advanced attitude than blacking up and acting like a moron while talking in a faux Caribbean accent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mich the Tester View Post
    Yep, that's exactly what black friends say. Somehow I think that's a more advanced attitude than blacking up and acting like a moron while talking in a faux Caribbean accent.
    Last year I had the (dis)pleasure of being chatted up in a cafe by Groote Piet, Midden Piet and Kleine Piet, the image of 3 varying size gents sitting at the bar in size order in Zwarte Piet costume was disturbing.

    And I look forward to next year people kicking off about it all over again.

    I think people are surprised that the Dutch tolerate this, they have this outward perception of an easy going all encompassing nation, that wouldn't put up with this, but the truth is they are formal, tolerant to a point (as long as you abide by the rules) and can be very old fashioned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mich the Tester View Post
    Yep, that's exactly what black friends say. Somehow I think that's a more advanced attitude than blacking up and acting like a moron while talking in a faux Caribbean accent.
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