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    No Miranda rights. No right to an attourney. Nada. Then thrown in jail.

    The woman imprisoned by a secret court yesterday described the shocking moment police descended on her father’s care home to ‘cart me off to jail’.

    Wanda Maddocks was sentenced for trying to remove her father John from a home where his family thought he was in danger of dying.

    But she was not present in court, nor was she represented by a lawyer, when the judgment was made – and her sentencing was not made public for six months.
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    Why would she have Miranda rights?

    Just read this some more.
    There was a court order that he was to remain in the care home.
    She took him Turkey instead, and only returned when they could not access his pension or savings. She describes herself as a successful businesswoman, and he had alzheimers - why did she need access to his pension or savings?

    It's not 100% clear whether she was summoned to court for the Contempt hearing and didn't attend, or just knew nothing about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ticktock View Post
    Why would she have Miranda rights?


    OK so first you get arrested. Then you get charged. Then you are tried. Then you are sentenced.

    Going back to point 1. When they arrest you, they read you your rights, right? Right!

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    Quote Originally Posted by suityou01 View Post


    OK so first you get arrested. Then you get charged. Then you are tried. Then you are sentenced.

    Going back to point 1. When they arrest you, they read you your rights, right? Right!

    Right. In this country, they are your rights under the Police and Criminal Evidence Act (or whatever has superseded it), whereas Miranda rights are conveyed by the Supreme Court of the United States ruling in Miranda v Arizona. American legislation has no place in English law.


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    From the article

    Last night the case was at the centre of a furious row over behind-closed-doors justice as MPs condemned the secrecy of the court that jailed Miss Maddocks.
    If MPs are so cross then why did they vote for the law that allowed it to happen?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OwlHoot View Post
    From the article

    Last night the case was at the centre of a furious row over behind-closed-doors justice as MPs condemned the secrecy of the court that jailed Miss Maddocks.
    If MPs are so cross then why did they vote for the law that allowed it to happen?
    Because there isn't a furious row, and most (if not all) of the circumstances are not as described. The article is from the Mail, remember?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DirtyDog View Post
    Right. In this country, they are your rights under the Police and Criminal Evidence Act (or whatever has superseded it), whereas Miranda rights are conveyed by the Supreme Court of the United States ruling in Miranda v Arizona. American legislation has no place in English law.

    Miranda rights are conveyed by the arresting officer to the prisoner, but you are nearly right

    Befire Miranda v Arizona there was no such thing as rights. In this country you have the "Right to silence" which is the UK implementation of Miranda rights, but it is still Miranda rights none the less.

    It is known as being "Mirandarised" here in the UK
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    Quote Originally Posted by suityou01 View Post
    Miranda rights are conveyed by the arresting officer to the prisoner, but you are nearly right

    Befire Miranda v Arizona there was no such thing as rights. In this country you have the "Right to silence" which is the UK implementation of Miranda rights, but it is still Miranda rights none the less.

    It is known as being "Mirandarised" here in the UK
    Hang on why would the arresting officer give the person the right to silence, surely that right is given by default.

    At no point in the UK is Miranda or a variance of such ever used unless its by people who don't know the correct terminology..... oh sorry Suity!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SimonMac View Post
    Hang on why would the arresting officer give the person the right to silence, surely that right is given by default.

    At no point in the UK is Miranda or a variance of such ever used unless its by people who don't know the correct terminology..... oh sorry Suity!
    Plain wrong, sorry Simon. Why don't you got out and get arrested and report back your findings
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