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    Default Yes she is annoying (Mizz Jones) but she has a point

    How do we sort out the sweatshops?



    I've paid £1,000 to save slumdog Dolly: She was only 13 when she met Liz Jones, slaving 12 hours a night, 7 days a week sewing sequins for UK fashion stores and living in squalor. Just look at her now!
    Liz Jones first met Dolly on a visit to Bangladesh in summer 2010
    She revisited Dolly recently to see her thriving after going back to school
    What a shame, I thought, as I backed out of her bamboo square balanced precariously above an open sewer and tried not to touch the walls or step in excrement, that there were no black-suited security guards at her door.

    You know the sort: they stand there, mute, as you enter boutiques on London’s Old Bond Street, making sure you’re not about to steal any of the merchandise.

    They would have been more use here. Then perhaps Dolly would not have been working 12 hours a night, seven nights a week for 2,800 taka a month (the minimum wage in Bangladesh back then was 1,662 taka a month – about £15, or 50p a day), as an embroiderer in a garment factory.

    Perhaps her hair would not be showing signs of malnutrition. Perhaps, too, she would be able to read and write her own name, and sleep.

    ‘What did you sew last night?’ I asked her. ‘Sequins,’ she whispered, worried I was going ask her to name names (like all garment workers, she was searched every morning as she left the factory in case she smuggled out a famous name’s label and gave it to the press).
    I've paid £1,000 to save slumdog Dolly: She was only 13 when she met Liz Jones, slaving 12 hours a night, 7 days a week sewing sequins for UK fashion stores and living in squalor. Just look at her now! | Mail Online
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    I thought Dolly was a sheep?

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    There was an outstanding report in the Independent a few years ago that I can't find that covered this stuff. They showed that the sweatshop workers would have been better in proper slavery as at least their masters would have had to house and feed them, most of the staff were being paid below a survival wage defined as enough to live in a covered shelter and feed yourself above starvation. I think the article may have been pulled because it named companies who used the end-product of the sweatshops.

    But then that's the price you have to pay if some people must have their £2 dress or £5 full school uniform.

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    It's also down to the culture within the country.

    For example if you were an employer, would you hire someone and pay them below the min wage, so much so they had malnutrition.
    Would you expect them to work in squalor.

    We are buying the products, but their own people are their employers.
    Fiscal nomad it's legal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alreadypacked View Post
    It's also down to the culture within the country.

    For example if you were an employer, would you hire someone and pay them below the min wage, so much so they had malnutrition.
    Would you expect them to work in squalor.

    We are buying the products, but their own people are their employers.
    precisely why we should enforce our employment practices on our suppliers.

    Its funny we fill in 16 page forms for suppliers in the UK but ignore flagrant breaches in overseas suppliers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vetran View Post
    How do we sort out the sweatshops?
    Stop expecting to be able to buy a t-shirt for £1.50 in Primark
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    Quote Originally Posted by craig1 View Post
    But then that's the price you have to pay if some people must have their £2 dress or £5 full school uniform.
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    Stop expecting to be able to buy a t-shirt for £1.50 in Primark

    It’s not just the cheap shops that use these practices; some brand names have been accused of slave labour.

    Also I get generic t-shirts from M&S, they spout fair trade etc.. I how I know for sure that these have been ethically made?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SimonMac View Post
    Stop expecting to be able to buy a t-shirt for £1.50 in Primark
    unfortunately this would make absolutely no difference, Apple don't make products in China with under age (allegedly) labour so they can sell them at £1.50. Bennenton, H&M and M&S are not known for their knock down prices.

    the UK & preferably the EU government should put in minimum labour standards for offshore suppliers with huge fines.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SimonMac View Post
    Stop expecting to be able to buy a t-shirt for £1.50 in Primark
    The question is would these people be better off if we stopped buying the products they make? Easy to preach, but if you take away their only income where does it leave them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SimonMac View Post
    Stop expecting to be able to buy a t-shirt for £1.50 in Primark
    Lots of people can't afford to SPEND more than this on cloths though...
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