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Benefits for immigrants from the EU

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    #11
    Originally posted by SueEllen View Post
    You are aware the job centre can refuse to allow you to claim JSA?

    And the staff have actively been encouraged to do so for about the last 5 years but did so before then?

    So while you can sign up for benefits off the boat, if the job centre advisor needs to meet their targets if you don't speak English fluently enough they will ensure you can't put in a claim or will reject it.

    There are 1.2 million migrants in social housing. That is a documented number unlike your hearsay.

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      #12
      Originally posted by minestrone View Post
      Jesus fook man, can you not read?




      Do you understand the logic behind the one and the or bit?
      Yes, do you? Can you read? You still need to apply before it can be given and it can still be refused which means it cannot be claimed straight off the boat unless they have a Jobcentre on the boat...For example, you still have to fulfill the following criteria first:

      To get Child Benefit, you normally have to be ordinarily resident in the UK. You'll usually be ordinarily resident if:
      - your main home is in the UK
      - you've chosen to live and settle here
      - you only go abroad for short periods, like on holiday
      The Child Benefit Office will decide whether or not you're ordinarily resident by looking at all your circumstances.
      If one of the following applies to you or a family member:
      - you're working for an employer or self-employed in the UK
      - you're actively looking for work and registered with Jobcentre Plus - you must be looking for a type of work you have a reasonable chance of getting
      - you're a student in the UK


      So you have to have at least one of the above, if you don't, which a lot of immigrants won't, then you have to have both of the below

      Or, if both of the following apply to you or a family member:
      - you can support yourself and your family financially - as a guide, this means you have enough money to stay above the level at which you'd get certain benefits, like Income Support
      - you have comprehensive sickness insurance cover for yourself and your family
      Brexit is having a wee in the middle of the room at a house party because nobody is talking to you, and then complaining about the smell.

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        #13
        Originally posted by darmstadt View Post
        Yes, do you? Can you read? You still need to apply before it can be given and it can still be refused which means it cannot be claimed straight off the boat unless they have a Jobcentre on the boat...For example, you still have to fulfill the following criteria first:



        If one of the following applies to you or a family member:
        - you're working for an employer or self-employed in the UK
        - you're actively looking for work and registered with Jobcentre Plus - you must be looking for a type of work you have a reasonable chance of getting
        - you're a student in the UK


        So you have to have at least one of the above, if you don't, which a lot of immigrants won't, then you have to have both of the below

        Or, if both of the following apply to you or a family member:
        - you can support yourself and your family financially - as a guide, this means you have enough money to stay above the level at which you'd get certain benefits, like Income Support
        - you have comprehensive sickness insurance cover for yourself and your family
        Honestly? Are you really going to keep going with this?

        you're actively looking for work and registered with Jobcentre Plus - you must be looking for a type of work you have a reasonable chance of getting


        "I wash dishes for a living in Krakozhia, I ask at all the kitchens in the area for work"

        That is all you have to do, all the documentation is translated anyway, you don't get refused.

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          #14
          Originally posted by minestrone View Post
          Honestly? Are you really going to keep going with this?

          you're actively looking for work and registered with Jobcentre Plus - you must be looking for a type of work you have a reasonable chance of getting


          "I wash dishes for a living in Krakozhia, I ask at all the kitchens in the area for work"

          That is all you have to do, all the documentation is translated anyway, you don't get refused.
          Nah, I'll leave it to you and the readers of the Daily Bigot to come to their own conclusions whereas I'll continue to rely on the information provided by a government website...The figures are out there on how many are refused for you to persue....





          (* I presume that all those people living rough in Hyde Park and sheds are all claiming benefits)
          Brexit is having a wee in the middle of the room at a house party because nobody is talking to you, and then complaining about the smell.

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            #15
            Originally posted by darmstadt View Post
            Nah, I'll leave it to you and the readers of the Daily Bigot to come to their own conclusions whereas I'll continue to rely on the information provided by a government website...The figures are out there on how many are refused for you to persue....





            (* I presume that all those people living rough in Hyde Park and sheds are all claiming benefits)
            They don't get refused, that is the entire purpose of the changes that are getting rushed in, do you understand that?

            Have you realised you arsed this one up and that is why the daily mail jokes are getting thrown in?

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              #16
              Originally posted by minestrone View Post
              There are 1.2 million migrants in social housing. That is a documented number unlike your hearsay.
              If you emigrate here with children, or have children while here, or a lone child when you come here then the British state has a duty of care to the children until they are adults.

              If you wish to live in an uncivilised country you are welcome to emigrate to a non- developed one where they don't give a damn about people.
              "You’re just a bad memory who doesn’t know when to go away" JR

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                #17
                Originally posted by minestrone View Post
                They don't get refused, that is the entire purpose of the changes that are getting rushed in, do you understand that?
                People do get refused.

                It's very easy for benefits staff to confuse and then refuse people who don't speak English fluently.

                What happens because people know they will get refused they seek knowledge from those who know the system to decrease their chances of being refused.

                BTW the vast majority of migrants come here for work and not to sit on the dole. The fact that our housing policy is screwed means that if they have a family then some will claim housing benefit.
                Last edited by SueEllen; 22 December 2013, 15:29.
                "You’re just a bad memory who doesn’t know when to go away" JR

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by minestrone View Post
                  They don't get refused, that is the entire purpose of the changes that are getting rushed in, do you understand that?
                  Are they? One of the reasons why the EU is taking Britain to court over this hinges around an Italian woman who has worked and lived in Britain for 17 years, paying all taxes. When she was made unemployed and tried to claim unemployment benefits she was refused under the right to residence rule. Now hypothetically speaking who should be refused benefits:

                  - a young East European family who move to Britain to work, register and actively seek work and wish to make a future in the UK, or
                  - a young British family who haven't worked since leaving school and have no inclination to do so?
                  Brexit is having a wee in the middle of the room at a house party because nobody is talking to you, and then complaining about the smell.

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by SueEllen View Post
                    If you emigrate here with children, or have children while here, or a lone child when you come here then the British state has a duty of care to the children until they are adults.

                    If you wish to live in an uncivilised country you are welcome to emigrate to a non- developed one where they don't give a damn about people.
                    We have been down this one before, you were mistakenly stating that children were not deported from the UK which was false.

                    Benefits get paid out straight off the bat, if that was not the case then the new rules would not be coming in or are you going to argue that there are no new rules that stop benefits from time of arrival?

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                      #20
                      People do get refused
                      Some do, some don't. Leaving aside the separate issue of asylum, they should ALL be refused. Why should any taxpayers' money go to those who have never paid in? Benefits/education/NHS/social housing should be for citizens or for others who have made a significant contribution to our nation.

                      Impossible to quantify obviously but this generosity with taxpayers' money is probably profoundly damaging to the bond between the citizen and the state. Why should people feel obliged to pay their taxes, make an effort to keep off welfare, look after their elderly parents etc. when they see so much of the taxes they have paid go to others to suit the grandiose political agendas of self-serving politicians or to boost the profits of bosses who want to pay workers as little as possible? It isn't even as though there are any proper checks that those we take in are deserving of our charity.

                      Said it before, but some modern socialists have a bizarre concept of socialism. As our nation became more prosperous we should have shared that prosperity among our working classes, given them better wages for less graft, not undercut them by bringing in those from abroad who are still driven by fear of real poverty.

                      Don't like him but I have to hand it to Bob Crowe, at least he is a real socialist with a proper concern for the British working man.
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