HMRC Enquiry letters on Loans from EBT and other schemes

[Sky Rocket]

Can I beg all members of whatever groups you are in to join the Big Group? It's not expensive and does have the benefit of large numbers, it's led by specialists and they are in the initial stages of engagement with HMRC.
Good luck with the JR, but in the meantime...join the Big Group!!!

I signed up about half hour ago....!

[tax is taxing]

Hello

I don't know if this is related or not but in a meeting with HMRC today, they said that a contractor JR claim had failed in the last few days.

No details of which scheme I'm afraid.

I agree webberg. That particular scheme failed on a single technical reason (I don't know what it was) and has now been reinstated.

Pinsent mason was quite upfront with it.

[webberg]

I agree webberg. That particular scheme failed on a single technical reason (I don't know what it was) and has now been reinstated.

Pinsent mason was quite upfront with it.

Thank you.

Given that I know little about the details and have already declared that I'm not a believer in JR, I'll leave this to those involved.

[tax is taxing]

Can I beg all members of whatever groups you are in to join the Big Group? It's not expensive and does have the benefit of large numbers, it's led by specialists and they are in the initial stages of engagement with HMRC.
Good luck with the JR, but in the meantime...join the Big Group!!!

Dear jbryce, I believe BIG group uses it numbers strength to negotiate a better deal, whilst APNs need paying.

We are trying to fight the APN itself at the moment. Time will tell if this is the right decision or not.

How have the Sanzarians in BIG responded to the APN? Have you guys and girls paid the APN?

[webberg]

Dear jbryce, I believe BIG group uses it numbers strength to negotiate a better deal, whilst APNs need paying.

We are trying to fight the APN itself at the moment. Time will tell if this is the right decision or not.

How have the Sanzarians in BIG responded to the APN? Have you guys and girls paid the APN?

I think you are both correct.

BG is about negotiation and bringing to bear the strength of numbers and focusing upon common themes.

We do make representations against APN's. These are done on a bespoke basis and we have not and will not make a block representation as they are all to easy to reject en masse.

We appreciate that a JR is about challenging the principles upon which the APN rests. In other words challenging HMG policy and legislative authority and application of that policy and legislation by a Government agency. I'm not lawyer enough to understand the detail and chances of success. We based our position on JR on reviewing the history of JR challenges against HMRC and the success they have had.

There is nothing to prevent you being part of a JR AND making a bespoke representation. This is something we would recommend.

HMRC are of the view that in a JR, because they have agreed not to collect the amounts demanded due to hardship, that does not invalidate their ability to charge a penalty for non payment, even if at the due date, the matter is sub judice.

Again, I'm not lawyer enough to comment on that other to note that this position has itself been challenged.

BG has clients who used the Sanzar arrangement and where appropriate, representations have been made. We don't really have enough data as yet to measure the reaction but anecdotally I would say;

Representations rejected as not meeting the criteria - less than 1% of those we have responses for
Representations leading to reductions in APN - perhaps 20% of those we have responses for
Representations leading to withdrawal of APN - perhaps 10% of those we have responses for
Representations leading to increases in APN - perhaps 2% of this those we have responses for (leads to anew APN and new 90 day period)

So I think there is space for all and any representations and challenges and they should all be tried.

[Vortex01]

Double APN

we have received our letters informing us of the HMRC calculation, wild by any description! but, we are now being told that HMRC will issue APNs against the company AND against us as individuals for the same inflated amount. Is this even legal and does anyone else have this problem?

all answers much appreciated.

[ric_77]

hi, i could do with some advice/opinions on my position please.

A member of the EBT scheme, APN sent and appeal rejected following recent letter from hmrc saying the amount is due for year 09/10 & 10/11 within 30 days.

My umbrella have responded with some instructions that I'd like to run by someone if they would be kind enough to do so over pm?

cheers

[DotasScandal]

Guys, join Big Group. That's where the expert advice is.

[webberg]

we have received our letters informing us of the HMRC calculation, wild by any description! but, we are now being told that HMRC will issue APNs against the company AND against us as individuals for the same inflated amount. Is this even legal and does anyone else have this problem?

all answers much appreciated.

Unless there's something you're not telling us, it would be hugely unusual to have duplicate demands against 2 separate legal entities.

get advice.

[webberg]

hi, i could do with some advice/opinions on my position please.

A member of the EBT scheme, APN sent and appeal rejected following recent letter from hmrc saying the amount is due for year 09/10 & 10/11 within 30 days.

My umbrella have responded with some instructions that I'd like to run by someone if they would be kind enough to do so over pm?

cheers

I'll give you 15 minutes if you PM. Be aware that if it needs more, a fee may be involved.