How do you know if your contract is public sector

[perplexed]

Is this not clear? Example 3 in the doc showed that a contractor working under a consultancy providing services to ps was caught and the consultancy would collect the taxes .

It's been a while since I looked at the doc though

Nothing's ever clear.

Is the consultancy just "working" for PS client by providing bums on seats integrated with permies at PS client or is the consultancy providing solutions for PS client, for example a computer system for which PS client play no part in development aside from providing requirements?

[eek]

Nothing's ever clear.

Is the consultancy just "working" for PS client by providing bums on seats integrated with permies at PS client or is the consultancy providing solutions for PS client, for example a computer system for which PS client play no part in development aside from providing requirements?

It's fairly clear all the examples using consultancies scream that people are inside.... the example that doesn't is a fixed price piece of work done remotely...

Do you want to work for a consultancy which is on a client site on a project that is likely time and materials based.

[jamesbrown]

Nothing's ever clear

Agreed, but I think psychocandy is a BoS contractor, onsite at a PS client. If so, it's clear that the new rules will apply. If a consultancy is supplying labour, much like an agency, the rules apply. I agree that there is considerable greyness, but not really on this specific issue of consultancies supplying bodies who then receive their instructions from the PS client.

[northernladuk]

Agreed, but I think psychocandy is a BoS contractor, onsite at a PS client. If so, it's clear that the new rules will apply. If a consultancy is supplying labour, much like an agency, the rules apply. I agree that there is considerable greyness, but not really on this specific issue of consultancies supplying bodies who then receive their instructions from the PS client.

To be fair from what he heard PC is well inside by the old rules never mind the new ones. Easy pickings if they do come at us retrospectively.

[eek]

To be fair from what he heard PC is well inside by the old rules never mind the new ones. Easy pickings if they do come at us retrospectively.

I do wonder how many other people IPSE have been giving false comfort to....

[perplexed]

It's fairly clear all the examples using consultancies scream that people are inside.... the example that doesn't is a fixed price piece of work done remotely...

Do you want to work for a consultancy which is on a client site on a project that is likely time and materials based.

Likely to be T&M, I'd agree - that relies upon contractor getting that information out from the consultancy, to be 100% accurate.

It's perfectly valid that a SME/Consultancy can be based inside PS client property, especially where there are restrictions around the accessible data, connectivity of outside devices etc. As long as that work is ringfenced within the consultancy boundary ( ie the difference between "Consultancy X provide PS client with X developers" and "Consultancy X provide PS client with a solution that implements these requirements, to this given timescale with these deliverables" ).

I'd not want to work any more PS than I've done in the past for reasons other than the April changes tbh...