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    #11
    TfL reconsidering approach

    So TfL sent out an update on Friday, as follows. Notably short on detail so doesn't provide much comfort but looks like they're spooked by the number of contractors jumping ship.

    We wrote to you on 23 December outlining changes to HMRC legislation and asking you to work with your manager to choose options about how you are paid.

    Since then, we have taken further advice from HMRC and we have reconsidered our approach.

    As a result, we are revising the options available and the timescales for choosing and implementing each option.

    We’re discussing the options available with managing directors, managers, business leads and resourcing teams with the expectation that they’ll be revised. We will contact your manager soon to confirm these options.

    If you’ve already communicated your preferences to your manager, these have been noted. However, if you want to change them once you see the revised options you can do so.

    Response date extended
    We will advise your manager of the new response date by the end of January. The original deadline of Friday 20 January for a response has been removed.

    Implementation date extended
    We have also extended the date for changes to become effective. Changes must now be made by Friday 24 March for people paid through Hays and Friday 31 March for people paid through engineering agencies.

    Key points

    1. A decision is no longer required by Friday 20 January and changes do not need to be made by Friday 17 February.
    2. You do not need to leave early. We have until Friday 24 March to implement the changes.
    3. The NPL team will discuss options with your business area, review the cost implications and send a further email to your manager with instructions and next steps.

    We recognise that there is a degree of uncertainty at this time and the decisions you have to make.

    Your agency contact is there to support you. If you have questions or need clarification on any of this, please contact your agency.

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      #12
      Originally posted by TfLTattle View Post
      So TfL sent out an update on Friday, as follows. Notably short on detail so doesn't provide much comfort but looks like they're spooked by the number of contractors jumping ship.

      We wrote to you on 23 December outlining changes to HMRC legislation and asking you to work with your manager to choose options about how you are paid.

      Since then, we have taken further advice from HMRC and we have reconsidered our approach.

      As a result, we are revising the options available and the timescales for choosing and implementing each option.

      We’re discussing the options available with managing directors, managers, business leads and resourcing teams with the expectation that they’ll be revised. We will contact your manager soon to confirm these options.

      If you’ve already communicated your preferences to your manager, these have been noted. However, if you want to change them once you see the revised options you can do so.

      Response date extended
      We will advise your manager of the new response date by the end of January. The original deadline of Friday 20 January for a response has been removed.

      Implementation date extended
      We have also extended the date for changes to become effective. Changes must now be made by Friday 24 March for people paid through Hays and Friday 31 March for people paid through engineering agencies.

      Key points

      1. A decision is no longer required by Friday 20 January and changes do not need to be made by Friday 17 February.
      2. You do not need to leave early. We have until Friday 24 March to implement the changes.
      3. The NPL team will discuss options with your business area, review the cost implications and send a further email to your manager with instructions and next steps.

      We recognise that there is a degree of uncertainty at this time and the decisions you have to make.

      Your agency contact is there to support you. If you have questions or need clarification on any of this, please contact your agency.
      :
      "I can put any old tat in my sig, put quotes around it and attribute to someone of whom I've heard, to make it sound true."
      - Voltaire/Benjamin Franklin/Anne Frank...

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        #13
        Originally posted by cojak View Post
        :
        Keypoint 2 is highly interesting. It implies far more people stated they were planning to leave than TfL expected.
        merely at clientco for the entertainment

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          #14
          But don't forget this does Nothing for the retrospective tax threat.

          As you were on that bit methinks...
          "I can put any old tat in my sig, put quotes around it and attribute to someone of whom I've heard, to make it sound true."
          - Voltaire/Benjamin Franklin/Anne Frank...

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            #15
            Originally posted by cojak View Post
            But don't forget this does Nothing for the retrospective tax threat.

            As you were on that bit methinks...
            Agreed but it's a clear case of tulip hitting fan.
            The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world that he didn't exist

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              #16
              But I do love that fact that their bolshie 'take or leave it' message must have been met with an equally robust

              "I can put any old tat in my sig, put quotes around it and attribute to someone of whom I've heard, to make it sound true."
              - Voltaire/Benjamin Franklin/Anne Frank...

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                #17
                Originally posted by cojak View Post
                But I do love that fact that their bolshie 'take or leave it' message must have been met with an equally robust

                Lol. Classic. This hard nosed approach is going to be met with the grim realisation that no-body permie knows anything and it's all run by contractors who are willing to lump it.
                What happens in General, stays in General.
                You know what they say about assumptions!

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by cojak View Post
                  But I do love that fact that their bolshie 'take or leave it' message must have been met with an equally robust

                  And it does seem that all they want to do is delay the inevitable another 5 weeks. Gives TfL a bit of time to find replacements.

                  I don't really wonder if fear of retrospective investigations of contracts has / is being discussed there - I think this is more two finger salutes. Especially when people were given Christmas to think it over and probably have resigned themselves to leaving and finding new roles...
                  Last edited by eek; 24 January 2017, 21:29.
                  merely at clientco for the entertainment

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by MarillionFan View Post
                    Lol. Classic. This hard nosed approach is going to be met with the grim realisation that no-body permie knows anything and it's all run by contractors who are willing to lump it.
                    The permies know stuff. They're now panicking that they'll actually have to do stuff. Don't worry about that!
                    The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world that he didn't exist

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                      #20
                      Idiots..

                      Originally posted by TfLTattle View Post

                      Since then, we have taken further advice from HMRC and we have reconsidered our approach.

                      [/I]
                      I would love to know what this 'advice' is... considering there has been no guidance given to PS bodies thus far. My take is there has been no conversation prior and since then with HMRC and they are trying to cover their tracks.. idiots.

                      I agree with LondonManc that the permies would be scared that they have to do some work for a change - that place is proper old school public sector with benefits that are eye-watering... considering the output

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