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    Quote Originally Posted by SteelyDan View Post
    Sorry but I think this thread on IR35 reform is drifting off course a bit. Just sayin'.

    Yeah sorry. Whether Labour get in or their competence to rule is slightly relevant to IR35.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meridian View Post
    Whataboutery.

    Why are you comparing current poverty in the U.K. (a first-world country, number 6 economy) to Venezuela and historical Eastern basket-cases? If you’re going to make a point, at least compare apples to apples.

    Is your argument that poverty in the U.K. doesn’t exist because people have a phone and a telly? And public transport to get them to the food bank? Really?

    Instead of asking me to go to Venezuela and walk around, perhaps you should get out of your bubble and walk around your own country for a few weeks and ask people here whether Universal Credit is working for them.
    We're a wealthy country, and have had some policies, at least, that have encouraged wealth creation. The less well off have benefited as a result, due at least in part to very high tax revenues from the wealthiest in society, also very high employment compared to historical rates, and high salaries. That's trickle-down. Duh.

    No, my argument is not that poverty in the UK doesn't exist because people have a phone and a telly. Try not to be stupider than is absolutely necessary. My argument is that the poor in this country ARE benefiting from a wealthy society, such that in terms of what they actually HAVE, they are better off than most of the people in the world. People on universal credit are easily within the top 30% of the world in income. Trickle down works. Maybe not as well as it could. Maybe it's not the best way to help the poor. That's certainly a discussion worth having. But you can't have it with someone who denies it is even having an effect. The person who denies that is just a political hack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ContractorOnAMotorbike View Post
    Venezuela is peddled out every time there is an argument against socialism. Our NHS is the direct result of socialist thinking. I doubt anyone is saying that Capitalism is evil however any idea taken to an extreme falls apart and that includes Capitalism. Just see the glorious private healthcare in the US. I would not wish that on anyone, and with Tories I am afraid we are very much headed that way.

    I accept that the current Labour party leans a bit too much to the left but then again this lot of Tories are downright evil in my view. I shudder to think what a majority government of monsters like Johnson/Cummings, Raab, Gove, Patel etc will do to our country in 5 years.
    Socialism doesn't have to be stupid. You can have an NHS. I'm not aware that anyone is saying you shouldn't. But there certainly are people saying capitalism is evil. Corbyn calls it "greed is good" and is declaring war on it. Their entire manifesto is absolute war on capitalism.

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    Bless 'em.

    Doesn't really offer much faith in their actually delivering what they collectively, and more long term agree to deliver, does it.

    Comes across as more of coconut-shy politics. Random chucks.

    Bless 'em.

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    There's still a chance they'll halt the IR35 changes as they may well calculate, when all their other tax ideas are in the mix (such as the divi tax becoming same rate as income tax but applied after corp tax already paid, i.e. a double whammy), that operating outside IR35 via New Old Labour policies will incur more tax than operating on PAYE inside IR35.
    Maybe tomorrow, I'll want to settle down. Until tomorrow, I'll just keep moving on.

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