Dave Chaplin on LinkedIn

[CheeseSlice]

surely there would still be a market, albeit reduced, for those contractors who are working outside of IR35?

Yes, but if the 9% figure I saw this week is true, thats a rather big dent in the sales pipeline.

I am.

one of those 9%, good for you

[JohntheBike]

Yes, but if the 9% figure I saw this week is true, thats a rather big dent in the sales pipeline.



one of those 9%, good for you

possibly at the moment, but who knows in the long term. If clients begin to suffer from the commercial reality of not being able to source the expertise they require, would they then begin to create more B2B roles outside of IR35? Some here seem to think the market will level out at some point, which I guess may have some validity.

[northernladuk]

possibly at the moment, but who knows in the long term. If clients begin to suffer from the commercial reality of not being able to source the expertise they require, would they then begin to create more B2B roles outside of IR35? Some here seem to think the market will level out at some point, which I guess may have some validity.

As usual.

[JohntheBike]

As usual.

your own assessment indicated to me that the market might level out in future. So I'm guessing that your opinion is correct.

[Invisiblehand]

I'm still waiting for Chaplin to "Knock this one out of the park" as he said he would when the off payroll rules were announced.

[JohntheBike]

I'm still waiting for Chaplin to "Knock this one out of the park" as he said he would when the off payroll rules were announced.

he is still trying and may be making more headway than IPSE ever did or are ever likely to. Sometimes, these issues take some time to bear fruit.

[ladymuck]

he is still trying and may be making more headway than IPSE ever did or are ever likely to. Sometimes, these issues take some time to bear fruit.

But he does the cause no good when he stirs up a load of angst over not understanding the aspects of employment law he's cherry picking to substantiate his claims. I fell for it initially and swiftly had to edit a load of stuff to stop spreading misinformation.

At least IPSE, for their many faults, will fact check first.

He comes across as scaremongering when he makes these basic mistakes and is proven wrong so ends up doing more damage than good.

Of course, as his end game is insurance sales then it's a very very good tactic.

[JohntheBike]

But he does the cause no good when he stirs up a load of angst over not understanding the aspects of employment law he's cherry picking to substantiate his claims. I fell for it initially and swiftly had to edit a load of stuff to stop spreading misinformation.

At least IPSE, for their many faults, will fact check first.

He comes across as scaremongering when he makes these basic mistakes and is proven wrong so ends up doing more damage than good.

Of course, as his end game is insurance sales then it's a very very good tactic.

for all his faults, with his FOI requests, he has published more information than IPSE ever did. He doesn't have to maintain a seat at the table, so he can be as confrontational as he pleases.

[northernladuk]

for all his faults, with his FOI requests, he has published more information than IPSE ever did. He doesn't have to maintain a seat at the table, so he can be as confrontational as he pleases.

I'd agree with this and can't deny his done some great work and more than some people/groups who's responsibility it was.

I do have to agree with his scaremongering to some though. I had a couple of guys at my last gig watching April 2020 unfold via Daves posts and they were in a proper state. I had to spend a bit of time explaining the situation and pointing them at other resources to get a more balanced picture. Once they'd got the hang both of them decided to ukfollow him as it was causing them more angst than help. I've considered doing the same myself but he does come up with some great nuggets.

To be fair to him though it's almost impossible for him to do the work he's done without digging in to nitty gritty which won't be good reading for some. It comes with the territory so I dont think he can be blamed or change things if he wants the same outcome.

[ladymuck]

for all his faults, with his FOI requests, he has published more information than IPSE ever did. He doesn't have to maintain a seat at the table, so he can be as confrontational as he pleases.

It's not about being confrontational, I have no issue with that at all and I applaud that aspect of his work. It's about spreading misinformation that I have issue with because he sees something, decides 2 + 2 = 5 and will publish that conclusion without fact checking. That scares people into doing silly things as the majority don't fact check what they see, they accept it at face value. When you find out you've been misled, you start to wonder whose side he's on.