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List of Blanket Ban Companies in respect of IR35 "Reform"

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    #11
    Originally posted by vwdan View Post
    I can tell you now I'm on an outside contract with a firm who has "blanket ban" listed on that site.
    I have no doubt you are and congratulations to you for getting an outside contract.

    For many people, they are not going to be so lucky, given the mandated no limited company policy.

    I know of a number of people working in the public sector and in outside IR35 contracts but so what?
    Last edited by ShandyDrinker; 27 January 2021, 08:05.

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      #12
      I find the offpayroll website useful but the comments should clearly be taken with a pinch of salt.

      Often one person's "blanket ban" just means they've spoken to a few of their contractor pals at the same gig who've confirmed they've been classed as inside - which isn't the same as a "blanket ban".

      Some of the comments definitely smack of mollycoddled permi-tractors who got a rude awakening last year. The BP comments in particular.

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        #13
        Originally posted by malvolio View Post
        Except choosing not to use external resources via a PSC (spit) is not going to interest HMRC. So what you end up with are either a workforce of employees with no rights to any kind of employee protection and support and/or a workforce exposed to the predations of "umbrellas" who aren't anything of the sort and/or people having to pay for expenses - ErNICs, AL, pension contributions, whatever - that are not their costs.

        What you can't do is challenge a company for choosing who it does business with and under what conditions.

        As for "pedant", then if companies are not allowing contractors via limited companies, there is effectively a blanket ban is true but it is nothing to do with IR35.

        Yes of course both groups wind up on someone's payroll, the challenge is what are you going to do about it? The remedy of working in a way that is outside IR35 (as per vwdan's post above, for example) is not readily available except in what will soon be very rare circumstances.

        As an aside, there are several people setting up websites and seminars aimed at telling companies how to deal with IR35 under Section 10. They are all, in my view, wasting their time by attacking the wrong problem.
        I agree with much of what you say.

        While your comment is technically correct about being nothing to do with IR35, the reality is that it has everything to do with IR35 and the off-payroll rules.

        When you say what am I going to do about it? The answer is, after all of the lobbying of local MP, demonstrations at Westminster and generally getting involved, it became obvious that as the contracting community buried its collective head in the sand, with a maximum of the high hundreds or so turning up at the last demonstration in Feb 2020, that the government knew that even the opposition to the off-payroll rules was weak at best.

        On your final comment, what do you consider is the right problem?

        My opinion is that the tax system in general needs a complete re-wiring. We are currently seeing trial balloons about yet again attacking the self-employed so that they effectively pay the same tax as employees in "safe" jobs, so it's obviously not just the contracting sector.

        In reality, at some point there needs to be an acceptance that to have a dynamic economy, people need to be rewarded to take risks. Sadly, I believe the government is going to take an alternative approach - remove as many employment rights/benefits as possible so everyone is effectively a contractor.

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          #14
          Originally posted by ShandyDrinker View Post
          I agree with much of what you say.

          While your comment is technically correct about being nothing to do with IR35, the reality is that it has everything to do with IR35 and the off-payroll rules.

          When you say what am I going to do about it? The answer is, after all of the lobbying of local MP, demonstrations at Westminster and generally getting involved, it became obvious that as the contracting community buried its collective head in the sand, with a maximum of the high hundreds or so turning up at the last demonstration in Feb 2020, that the government knew that even the opposition to the off-payroll rules was weak at best.

          On your final comment, what do you consider is the right problem?

          My opinion is that the tax system in general needs a complete re-wiring. We are currently seeing trial balloons about yet again attacking the self-employed so that they effectively pay the same tax as employees in "safe" jobs, so it's obviously not just the contracting sector.

          In reality, at some point there needs to be an acceptance that to have a dynamic economy, people need to be rewarded to take risks. Sadly, I believe the government is going to take an alternative approach - remove as many employment rights/benefits as possible so everyone is effectively a contractor.
          By February 2020 it was a done deal - no screaming was going to fix the issue (remember to most people contractors are simply just tax avoiding permies).

          The battle was lost when the expenses changes were made.
          merely at clientco for the entertainment

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            #15
            Originally posted by ShandyDrinker View Post
            I have no doubt you are and congratulations to you for getting an outside contract.

            For many people, they are not going to be so lucky, given the mandated no limited company policy.

            I know of a number of people working in the public sector and in outside IR35 contracts but so what?
            Sorry, to be absolutely clear, I know I dropped lucky and I don't know if it'll continue. I was just drawing into question the accuracy of the site

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              #16
              Originally posted by vwdan View Post
              Sorry, to be absolutely clear, I know I dropped lucky and I don't know if it'll continue. I was just drawing into question the accuracy of the site
              It's not really the sites fault, but so many contractors are blinkered and think because all contractors in their team/area/department have been moved to Umbrella/PAYE means it's a company wide policy.

              I guess the site could ask people to enter which area of the company they are contracted to, which might help a little bit.

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                #17
                Originally posted by Paralytic View Post
                It's not really the sites fault, but so many contractors are blinkered and think because all contractors in their team/area/department have been moved to Umbrella/PAYE means it's a company wide policy.

                I guess the site could ask people to enter which area of the company they are contracted to, which might help a little bit.
                I would also expect those contractors who are outside to keep rather quiet about it for fear of rocking their boat.
                "I can put any old tat in my sig, put quotes around it and attribute to someone of whom I've heard, to make it sound true."
                - Voltaire/Benjamin Franklin/Anne Frank...

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by vwdan View Post
                  Sorry, to be absolutely clear, I know I dropped lucky and I don't know if it'll continue. I was just drawing into question the accuracy of the site
                  Anything with user generated content has to be questioned. The same chumps that ask the daft questions on here are the same that could be updating that.

                  I remember Dave C posting updates from this on linkedin and some of the comments showed a distinct lack of knowledge of how IR35, business and whatever works. I didn't bother with the site from there on in.
                  'CUK forum personality of 2011 - Winner - Yes really!!!!

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by cojak View Post

                    (and where have you been for the last 3 years? It's a bit late to get the media stirred up about this now.)
                    I smell another petition looming....
                    'CUK forum personality of 2011 - Winner - Yes really!!!!

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                      #20
                      Originally posted by cojak View Post
                      I would also expect those contractors who are outside to keep rather quiet about it for fear of rocking their boat.
                      Think you're right. I had an outside IR35 gig last year at a client last year and was surprised to find how many people had been deemed inside (via a QDOS assessment.)

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