Locum doctors

[Moumunne]

Can we avoid IR35 as lucky doctors?

[SueEllen]

Can we avoid IR35 as lucky doctors?

If you are a consultant then maybe - the issue is if you are managing and/or training other more junior staff you can be considered to be an office holder.

If you are junior doctor you are under D&C so nope.

[SueEllen]

And I forgot to add it is posted elsewhere on this forum that all NHS workers who are contractors working with trusts are within IR35.

I guess you only escape if you are a locum GP or similar.

[northernladuk]

I thought there had been quite a bit of discussion about locum doctors working in hospitals being a real problem for IR35. If that's the case nothing has changed and it will still be a problem.

Plenty of articles focused on locums out there to give you an idea about risk before looking at the tools and changes.

[eek]

Can I refer you to this document https://jumpshare.com/v/Et8z2DADOzCYGTJDFmHo

[cojak]

Can I refer you to this document https://jumpshare.com/v/Et8z2DADOzCYGTJDFmHo

So I'm afraid that they are gunning for you.

[NHS1979]

I think NHS Improvement are all over NHS Trusts for using bank or agency nurses, and locum doctors. The hierarchical structure and massive governance stuff means most Hospital docs will struggle to show they are freelancers coming and going as they please. The letter from Jim Mackey is typically blunt and inaccurate - "HMRC will treat all public sector ‘self-employed’ contractors using a PSC as falling under IR35" - simply not true.

If I were you I would instead network with fellow docs to push for a rise in fees to compensate being inside-IR35 (only a supply shortage will get the attention of the higher powers locally and above).

On the management side, if you're lucky enough to work for one of the tiny number of NHS Trusts that hasn't just done a blanket decision, then your hopes of being outside IR35 rest on time-limited non-BAU projects such as 'transformation', 'CIP' or 'service redesign'. You come in, do something, then leave.

[Moumunne]

I think NHS Improvement are all over NHS Trusts for using bank or agency nurses, and locum doctors. The hierarchical structure and massive governance stuff means most Hospital docs will struggle to show they are freelancers coming and going as they please. The letter from Jim Mackey is typically blunt and inaccurate - "HMRC will treat all public sector ‘self-employed’ contractors using a PSC as falling under IR35" - simply not true.

If I were you I would instead network with fellow docs to push for a rise in fees to compensate being inside-IR35 (only a supply shortage will get the attention of the higher powers locally and above).

On the management side, if you're lucky enough to work for one of the tiny number of NHS Trusts that hasn't just done a blanket decision, then your hopes of being outside IR35 rest on time-limited non-BAU projects such as 'transformation', 'CIP' or 'service redesign'. You come in, do something, then leave.

[Moumunne]

Thank you for this .

[SlipTheJab]

Can we avoid IR35 as lucky doctors?

Only if you're... eer...lucky... HTHBIDI