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    first4contractorsdotcodotuk - We make paying less tax, less taxing - First 4 Contractors

    The above website (to which I was directed from a link on the Guardian jobs page) makes a range of claims about take home pay, rates of tax, etc.

    The title at the bottom of the first page says "First 4 Contractors". It does not say that this is a UK limited company or indeed a company of any description. There was a UK company of this name but it was dissolved 3 years ago. I have not found an IOM company with this name.

    The address of the entity is shown as Kemp House. We know that this address has thousands of companies registered there and that some have connections with schemes of the past and indeed present ones.

    Does anybody have any more information that might be useful please?

    I stress that for the moment I have absolutely no reason to think that those behind the website are doing anything they should not, legally or otherwise, but I would like to get to know them better as some clients are asking questions that at the moment I cannot answer.

    Thanks
    Last edited by cojak; 24 June 2019, 15:14. Reason: removed link (you know it makes sense!)
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    Website proudly says -
    Have a no obligation chat with one of our tax planning specialists now.

    Call 0845 564 3402
    Well, it would be rude not to.

    Go Daddy domain name first registered in 2013 but no trace of who owns it. In the contacts section of the website it refers to IOM -
    You have the right to make a complaint at any time to the Isle of Man Information Commissioner’s Office
    How about complaining you have no clue who these people are? That would be a good start, I'm guessing whoever is behind this mob have form and their tracks are going to very well hidden. Who on earth falls for this stuff these days eh? Somebody must, I suppose.

    UK company of that name was dissolved in 2016. The people listed against First 4 Contractors Ltd (Christopher Heath and Lorraine Davis) were also associated with an outfit called Contractor Genie, also dissolved in 2016. I wonder if they've moved their game off shore someplace now?

    No idea if it's the same Lorraine Davis but on LinkedIn she's connections to AML in the IoM, it seems.
    Last edited by Fred Bloggs; 24 June 2019, 13:28.
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      #3
      FIRST 4 CONTRACTORS LTD, PL5 4PJ WHITLEIGH Financial Information

      Searching on the phone number also brings back the following but site is down.

      Contact
      contractor-genie.co.uk/contact/
      If you have any questions whatsoever, we'd be happy to answer them for you. Our friendly team are just a phone call or email away. Tel: 0845 564 3402.
      EDIT : Yeah, Contractor Genie registered at same address

      CONTRACTOR GENIE LTD - Overview (free company information from Companies House)

      Looks like they get mentioned in this article but it's behind a paywall.

      Don’t end up like me — run fast from schemes that say they’ll cut your tax | Money | The Sunday Times

      Google text says

      Don't end up like me — run fast from schemes that say they'll cut your ...
      https://www.thetimes.co.uk/.../dont-...-that-say-they...
      31 Mar 2019 - HMRC has launched an aggressive crackdown on tax avoidance ... However, its website, contractor-genie.co.uk, still works and claims to be ...
      And CG old website on the web.archive shows it's a 90% plus offering.
      https://web.archive.org/web/20190129...r-genie.co.uk/
      Last edited by northernladuk; 24 June 2019, 13:40.
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        #4
        Something very odd here.

        When I go on the First 4 contractors website it shows the 0845 564 3402 number for an instant and then it changes to 0845 485 7839

        Very weird. What's that about then?
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          #5
          Rung the number and a guy said the company is called Contracting Wise.

          Their privacy page says

          Contact details

          Full name of legal entity: Contracting Wise Limited
          but can't find anything.
          Last edited by northernladuk; 24 June 2019, 13:56.
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            #6
            There is a Contracting Wise Ltd in the IOM

            20 Finch Rd, Douglas

            Number 130198C

            Can I be bothered to pay £15 for the documents?
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              #7
              Originally posted by northernladuk View Post
              Something very odd here.

              When I go on the First 4 contractors website it shows the 0845 564 3402 number for an instant and then it changes to 0845 485 7839

              Very weird. What's that about then?
              Perhaps a bit like scammers using the phone to claim to be HMRC and when you check back it comes up with a real HMRC number.

              Apparently some tech is being developed to stop this.
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                #8
                Privacy policy indicates that the IoM Information Commissioners Office is the supervisory authority for data protection issues, so they have to be IoM based.
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                  #9
                  Yep - note that the website does not say 'Registered Address', just 'Address'.

                  And if any punter comes looking, this is for you...

                  https://www.contractoruk.com/forums/...following.html
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by webberg View Post
                    There is a Contracting Wise Ltd in the IOM

                    20 Finch Rd, Douglas

                    Number 130198C

                    Can I be bothered to pay £15 for the documents?
                    20 finch road?

                    That’s the side entrance to Knox House.

                    See: AML/KHT/Smartpay/etc.
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