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  1. I have an unofficial chat with the hire manager...

    I have an unofficial chat with the hire manager on Monday, will say I am looking to have my current contract terminated and am looking to secure an inside contract to continue, on the proviso that...
  2. I tried to explain this to my client, advised...

    I tried to explain this to my client, advised them to get an opinion on inside / outside, then take a policy decision. They instead decided to act on their opinion and issue an SDS, which I...
  3. Phone QDOS, tell them your company will cease...

    Phone QDOS, tell them your company will cease trading and will close at the end of March, then ask them if your TLC35 cover is still valid during the closing period and in the event that HMRC...
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    They have besmirched my company name, I must have...

    They have besmirched my company name, I must have vengeance!

    1. 3 week holiday booked for 2nd April
    2. Informed the client that I would be ceasing my services at the end of March.
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    Agree, there will be a lot of creative QDOS...

    Agree, there will be a lot of creative QDOS members.

    But these inside/outside client determinations are not based on the validity on the answers in a question sheet, whether that be CEST, what...
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    Now now, be nice, it's Friday tomorrow. :happy ...

    Now now, be nice, it's Friday tomorrow. :happy

    Just offering a personal boots-on-the-ground view of one of the big 4 reviewing en-mass the status of a clients contractor base. I have read many...
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    Ok, the narrow guide and high watermark on which...

    Ok, the narrow guide and high watermark on which the result is based through a PwC review I believe would be a lot easier to argue than a more rounded review of someone like QDOS who then determine...
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    Kobayashi Maru - PwC results are in!

    Looks like everyone is to be inside IR35 based on a PwC assessment, the good news is, based on the level to which you had to reach to achieve an outside determination and that only a CEST-like tool...
  9. Really?!! 1. Phone umbrella company 2. Give...

    Really?!!

    1. Phone umbrella company
    2. Give them your rate and other details
    3. Obtain the monthly net figure

    Repeat 1-3 with increased rates each time until you are happy with the answer....
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    Sticky: Ah, you noticed. :smile Murky at present....

    Ah, you noticed. :smile

    Murky at present. Always best to ask the agency, if they have no idea what you're talking about, walk away. It'll become uniform soon enough as eek says, until then, insist...
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    Yep. £350 - outside IR35 / off-payroll does...

    Yep.

    £350 - outside IR35 / off-payroll does not apply
    £378 - inside IR35 + client pays their own tax bill
    £426 - inside IR35 + you pay clients tax bill (umbrella used)
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    Absolutely, as long as the FTC is rate based and...

    Absolutely, as long as the FTC is rate based and not traditional pro-rata it should work as the market then dictates rates, additional benefits can then be balanced for sweetners.

    IF Deutsche have...
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    I read the OffpayrollUK comment as the bank...

    I read the OffpayrollUK comment as the bank trying to keep hold or re-secure their permie-tractor base. I don't see FS dealing with Ltd/PSC in any meaningful way ever again. But rates can rise in the...
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    Deutsche - FTC with day rate?

    OffpayrollUK comment from Deutsche Bank bod.

    "Actually really pleased with the outcome. Been offered a very respectable day rate on PAYE including Pension, 35 days hols, WFH, same perks as...
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    Cynic...:tongue

    Cynic...:tongue
  16. Yes, and that was the point, bigger returns for...

    Yes, and that was the point, bigger returns for HMRC. So worth targeting if no other information available to differentiate.
  17. Snap. Looked at writing a perm friendly CV and...

    Snap. Looked at writing a perm friendly CV and considered the questions I'd be asked at interview stage. Gave it some more thought, then gave myself a slap. I'll never be ready for perm. :)
  18. Well, if you work through an agency, the 2015...

    Well, if you work through an agency, the 2015 employment intermediary report filed by the agency would indicate a name and could be cross referenced to return your PSC details. If in 2016, 2017, 2018...
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    The kicker.

    The kicker.
  20. Offpayroll.org.uk is my bellwether, it cuts...

    Offpayroll.org.uk is my bellwether, it cuts across sectors, skills and rates and shows a clear direction as to where the vast majority of businesses are going. Outside IR35 is dead, at least for the...
  21. This gives a small number of clients their...

    This gives a small number of clients their contractor resource for another 3 or 4 weeks, this gives a small number of contractors another 3 or 4 weeks to secure another role.

    Being cynical, if I...
  22. I'll be going inside elsewhere if I cannot secure...

    I'll be going inside elsewhere if I cannot secure a long outside extension at my current clientco.

    Unless there is a consistent method for companies to be confident in securing the services of a...
  23. :rollin:

    :rollin:
  24. Two different things, business found that they...

    Two different things, business found that they could avoid having to pay a persons NIC contribution if they hired them as a service (contractor), this caused IR35 creation from the government.

    The...
  25. Another 4 weeks to go, as soon as we can get into...

    Another 4 weeks to go, as soon as we can get into March, then the clients will have to have a position, and the agencies can stop hiding.
  26. What is the sector / skill set? Unless they are...

    What is the sector / skill set? Unless they are short contracts it seems a shed load of money for a client to give out (500 + agency slice) for a 45-50kpa body.
  27. Yep. Clients up until this point have not had...

    Yep.

    Clients up until this point have not had to look into the role they were offering on paper and its relation to IR35, for the contractor they should have been able to get some tweaks as per...
  28. This will depend on the clout of both the...

    This will depend on the clout of both the management at the client it will affect to successfully impart the impact to senior management and directors, and the clout of the contractors to genuinely...
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    Well that's just silly talk. I have been...

    Well that's just silly talk. I have been contracting 20 years, this is the biggest thing to hit the freelancing industry in that time IMO. In the short term the market will be hit very badly, a...
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    Government would like you to think so, but I'd...

    Government would like you to think so, but I'd suggest the vast majority on this site who have gone perm have done so just to protect the warchest / pay the bills.
  31. I see, my south east location has skewed my...

    I see, my south east location has skewed my impression of perm salary / freelance rate then, yes it'll depend on what you do to a certain extent, but a 50k perm for me would equate to a 275, maybe...
  32. Ok, understood, I just think reality for the most...

    Ok, understood, I just think reality for the most part will be a mirror.



    Agree, but my thoughts were the reverse (hence initial post), the client placing a false 4 week notice period on a...
  33. Yes, but for the notice period it will all be...

    Yes, but for the notice period it will all be mirrored, so for the question, it makes no difference. Yes, the umbrella COULD say I have to give 4 weeks notice where the client have agreed 1 week with...
  34. Fine. :smile You know the scenario well...

    Fine. :smile

    You know the scenario well enough, but I'll make it simpler. Client change policy, no more PSCs. Said PSC has contract terminated, client go out to market with same contract but to...
  35. We need these people! Keep HMRC as busy as...

    We need these people!

    Keep HMRC as busy as possible, just not with you.
  36. Are contracts more or less the same when comparing Umbrella to Outside IR35?

    Thinking on the other side of the fence, if I have a contractor that just walks out the door upon a blanket inside determination and I have to put their contract out to the market as 'umbrella only'....
  37. Agree, the contractor market was / is a false...

    Agree, the contractor market was / is a false market, but it benefited both client and contractor. You'll know the genuine contractors from the 'bum on the seat' types though if both are pulled into...
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    Too late to evacuate, take what you can get, hold...

    Too late to evacuate, take what you can get, hold onto what you have, mitigate risks where you can. Those of age or warchests are excluded.

    Head in the sand or 'out of principal' actions IMO just...
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    The answer is nobody knows, there is a risk, and...

    The answer is nobody knows, there is a risk, and the majority think it's not that low, for various reasons. For most it seems their current contract can be ditched to remove this particular risk,...
  40. “They have provided no details of how this will...

    “They have provided no details of how this will work and what the new terms of engagement will be"

    What exactly are the contractors waiting for? What favourable terms is the contractor expecting...
  41. Because if we assume the contract is not water...

    Because if we assume the contract is not water tight either inside or outside (even if QDOS reviewed it as outside), and that working practices carry the actual bulk of evidence. Then you'll be...
  42. Fear not, only another 6 weeks or so to go before...

    Fear not, only another 6 weeks or so to go before clients and especially agencies have to come clean about all those inside IR35 positions. Right now there are a lot of 'what if' scenarios brought...
  43. Correct, the client can have an opinion now, and...

    Correct, the client can have an opinion now, and it will be a formal declaration in April, so they can officially bundle their opinion as inside IR35 in April, I guess the 45 day argument procedure...
  44. Yeah, the risk is the client has now shared its...

    Yeah, the risk is the client has now shared its opinion on your PSCs position with HMRC for the work you do for the client, very dangerous IF it goes to court, could also get squeaky for the client...
  45. Hence the banks have cut and run. :D

    Hence the banks have cut and run. :D
  46. Well, they can, it's just not in those formal...

    Well, they can, it's just not in those formal terms. The client is allowed to have an opinion at any time, that client tells the contractor what the client's opinion is. The contractor will respond...
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    And the early adopters to financial permie land...

    And the early adopters to financial permie land absolutely rinsed the banking pot of cash to get them to sign up. The remainers doing the same job and still to decide on permie are not being offered...
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    Lovely. 143k. From those contractors I know...

    Lovely. 143k.

    From those contractors I know also considering perm offers from financials, there does appear to be a 20-40k uptick over a typical advertised perm offer for same role. Good to know...
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    Or... In 6 months time when things get worked...

    Or...

    In 6 months time when things get worked out and these blanket ban businesses look to now be at a disadvantage, they then reach out to the market offering roles to FCs (Facilitation...
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    Thanks for clarifying.

    Thanks for clarifying.
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