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  1. I'm surprised at the lack of lobbying being done...

    I'm surprised at the lack of lobbying being done by companies that are affected by all the IR35 drama. It's almost like firms have just accepted it. I know Dave Chaplin is doing a lot of it but he's...
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    Similar journey to you. Although instead of to /...

    Similar journey to you. Although instead of to / from LB it's now LV. I'm not sure on the difference in the cost, probably 50 quid more a month, time wise probably an additional 20 mins each way. Not...
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    My change of direction is now travelling into...

    My change of direction is now travelling into London Victoria as opposed to London Bridge. Different route, different train operator.
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    After reading this, I'm slightly concerned that...

    After reading this, I'm slightly concerned that my accountant doesn't understand the rules (despite me sending them several links to the legislation), as I still find the rules confusing myself hence...
  5. *Reason to suspect* now how would / could they...

    *Reason to suspect* now how would / could they possibly pin point individuals, they will no doubt do targeted campaigns at institutions (see GSK) as picking off individual LTD's would be a slow and...
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    Tories need to go in order to make a change IMO....

    Tories need to go in order to make a change IMO. Lobbying just ins't working and they seem reluctant to change their stance on this.

    Whilst I have always been a Tory voter, I feel that they are...
  7. What if, you leave what could potentially be...

    What if, you leave what could potentially be deemed an inside role post April before the year is out (before a determination has been made/ communicated to you, so as to not be classified...
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    I have been trying to find the outcome of this...

    I have been trying to find the outcome of this too as I am in a similar position. You initially declare yourself outside from when the contract starts until April but then post it's down to the...
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    I didn't see this mentioned on the thread you...

    I didn't see this mentioned on the thread you created so thought i'd ask
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    So if you were to be offered a new engagement...

    So if you were to be offered a new engagement with a new client and have the contract reviewed and it's deemed outside by a tax insurer, the client then confirms in writing it's outside after April...
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    Leave well before the determination date. You...

    Leave well before the determination date. You don't want an outside/ then in situation.
  12. Surely leaving BEFORE the determination puts you...

    Surely leaving BEFORE the determination puts you in a better position than leaving after it. Whether you agree with the outcome of it or not, you're basically leaving with a target on your back in...
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    Of the cases that Qdos have chosen to take on....

    Of the cases that Qdos have chosen to take on....
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    As a contractor, I don't think you are ever fully...

    As a contractor, I don't think you are ever fully 100% bullet proof, regardless of how well your ducks are sitting - there is ALWAYS an element of risk.
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    You say that but they can go back as far as 6...

    You say that but they can go back as far as 6 years and in some extreme cases, longer.

    I'm sure there have been instances where the contractor has had an enquiry when they have moved onto another...
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    That's always the case with working practises...

    That's always the case with working practises too, isn't it?

    You may have an idea in your head of these and have reviewed etc. You leave, you get an enquiry and your client totally contradicts...
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    So even if your hiring manager has come back and...

    So even if your hiring manager has come back and said "yes" they agree (in writing) that if you were unable to provide services and you provided a substitute, this wouldn't be sufficient enough in...
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    They insure you based on 4 basic statement...

    They insure you based on 4 basic statement principles. However, when called upon they have a "prospects of Success Review" clause and basically can turn around and say we won't take on your case....
  19. Sticky: Still averse to it....

    Still averse to it....
  20. Sticky: I had a response pending and actually received it...

    I had a response pending and actually received it this morning, pretty generic response to be honest and on the similar lines of what most people have been posting on here.

    In short, unable to...
  21. Sticky: I've gone back and checked your posts again and...

    I've gone back and checked your posts again and the below is what you have responded, sorry was posting on phone over weekend so may have overlooked a few of your comments.

    The below is what you...
  22. Sticky: I know what Cojak's thread has said and I was...

    I know what Cojak's thread has said and I was hoping to follow said steps ie wait to leave before 31st December (which is ironically when I leave anyway). However, having been told a decision is to...
  23. Sticky: Do you honestly think I'm doing this for shi!ts...

    Do you honestly think I'm doing this for shi!ts and giggles? If you do then you're a sick individual. This has given me nothing but sleepless nights for the past couple of weeks. I'm just trying to...
  24. Sticky: Morning, I don't want to be searching threads to...

    Morning, I don't want to be searching threads to prove a point or cause friction but regardless it's very possible that leaving before an out then in determination puts a lot of people in a...
  25. Sticky: Well excuse me for still being confused by all of...

    Well excuse me for still being confused by all of this, it's not exactly easy to decipher and even HMRC do not understand their own legislation!


    You mention that we've discussed this on other...
  26. Sticky: I'm in the same predicament in that the client...

    I'm in the same predicament in that the client has sent an email to all contractors that a determination on all roles will be assessed and communicated in the next month.

    I'm there until the end...
  27. Sticky: But irrespective of whether this contract is...

    But irrespective of whether this contract is ending / to be extended, won't all firms be required to make a determination on all of their contractors? I doubt the poster's client is going to leave it...
  28. Sticky: Have you had a determination confirmed in writing...

    Have you had a determination confirmed in writing from your client you are outside post April ?
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    It's an annoying position to be in as I have...

    It's an annoying position to be in as I have another contract lined up to start in the new year but they have said the role is outside currently but the client hasn't made a determination on post...
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    I spoke with the client and they are unable to...

    I spoke with the client and they are unable to give me any indication as to how it's looking, which isn't ideal.

    They are going to tell me 2nd week of November as to what the determination will...
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    Until they have gone down every rabbit hole and...

    Until they have gone down every rabbit hole and get bored....
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    Yes agreed IF an enquiry was opened. I think...

    Yes agreed IF an enquiry was opened.

    I think HMRC are going to initially go after those who were acting outside, determined inside by the client but continued post April 2020.

    But HMRC...
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    when would they even be in communication with HM...

    when would they even be in communication with HM in respect of this?

    So they put 50% of their contractor workforce inside (hypothetically), you think they will go running straight to HM grassing...
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    That's my worry. If you leave based on the inside...

    That's my worry. If you leave based on the inside determination you look guilty and could still get a pull.

    If you stay (which I most certainly would not) then you are a sitting duck.

    Doing a...
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    Re your point below: Final point is that I...

    Re your point below:

    Final point is that I only see it as a risk if you get an inside determination and stay. I can't see HMRC gathering information on people who were outside, told they would be...
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    I actually got some info from Qdos earlier.... ...

    I actually got some info from Qdos earlier....

    We assume that if you leave before a determination is made this would be less risky. If contractors leave once the determination has been made and...
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    So just spoke to the agency and asked about...

    So just spoke to the agency and asked about deferring their assessment for me - they are going to see if that can happen to coincide with Cojak's date (31st Dec).

    She then called asking why i...
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    Because you're at the mercy of the client. They...

    Because you're at the mercy of the client. They agree before it's an outside contract, then when faced with the liability post April (but have to make the determination prior to this date for best...
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    It's the best trap for them as everyone still...

    It's the best trap for them as everyone still there after an inside determination is fair game.

    I'm very risk averse, so i think if the internal contact is unable to defer the determination...
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    So if they deem it inside and I have left before...

    So if they deem it inside and I have left before the determination is made, that is better than still being there I'm guessing? I would hazard a guess that HM will be interested (if they have a nose...
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    What can I do? Basically, if you think that...

    What can I do?

    Basically, if you think that your client is going to decide that you are inside IR35, you need to consider whether to leave that client:

    BEFORE 31st December 2019 (for...
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    Yeah, my bad - I've re-posted it.

    Yeah, my bad - I've re-posted it.
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    Dilemma

    Another IR35 post!

    Looking for a bit of advice on how to play out the below scenario....

    Was advised by agency back in July that the client will be reviewing all contractors in due course and...
  44. I have now received an email from the agency on...

    I have now received an email from the agency on behalf of my client (who ultimately make the IR35 decisions)....

    Our review of the legislation and initial findings indicate that a significant...
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    Sorry, didn't realise I would be high jacking the...

    Sorry, didn't realise I would be high jacking the thread as it's based on the same subject....but take your point and will create yet another IR35 thread.
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    Whilst we are on this subject.... I have...

    Whilst we are on this subject....

    I have FINALLY received an email from the agency on behalf of my client (who ultimately make the IR35 decisions)....

    Our review of the legislation and initial...
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    Well, I've been at the current client for a while...

    Well, I've been at the current client for a while now and typically WFH one day a week. No set day, decide how i feel at the end of each week and select said day for the following week. How could I...
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    Sorry, laymans terms please.....

    Sorry, laymans terms please.....
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    From a tax perspective, the capital distribution...

    From a tax perspective, the capital distribution that is paid out (after CGT is applied), how is this viewed in terms of gross income? Is it shown as investment income / income from a company as I...
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    Where does this ask about holiday / WFH in the...

    Where does this ask about holiday / WFH in the working practices form from QDOS?

    Also, say you work from home one day per week (but not stated within the contract - just a verbal agreement) and...
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