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  1. Nonsense. Agencies don't "find you suitable". ...

    Nonsense. Agencies don't "find you suitable". You're pattern matched to the role description from words on your CV. Any monkey can get "matched" by agencies. That's why client's insist on...
  2. Top trolling there, Greg. ...

    Top trolling there, Greg.

    https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/theartoftrolling/images/7/7a/Trollface-3078_preview.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20101001003650
  3. Propose? What is this propose nonsense? You...

    Propose? What is this propose nonsense? You simply send the sub.

    You do have a legitimate B2B contract that has an appropriate and viable RoS clause, don't you?
  4. Sometimes the best way to light the path to your...

    Sometimes the best way to light the path to your future is to burn the bridges of your past!
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    Yes. Try to imagine how many tears the hiring...

    Yes.

    Try to imagine how many tears the hiring manager would be crying when you get unceremoniously dumped as your contract is abruptly terminated due to budget shortfalls/downsizing/project...
  6. Because we're in a genuine B2B relationship,...

    Because we're in a genuine B2B relationship, right? By asking such things, the client in no way thinks that they're hiring you, personally, do they? Oh no siree.
  7. If that report already exists, sure. If it...

    If that report already exists, sure.

    If it doesn't, it'll be 6 months of pre-planning, another 12 months of planning, 3 months of resource allocation, 6 months of project steering, with 2-3 years...
  8. Or flip it round: "Thanks for contacting [Your...

    Or flip it round: "Thanks for contacting [Your Ltd]. Of course we can supply one of our many highly skilled and experienced consultants to your client, but we can't tell you which one yet!"
    ...
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    This isn't quite correct. Sure, there are...

    This isn't quite correct.

    Sure, there are things that aren't allowed to be done remotely, because the client says so, but for work involving a computer in 2019, there is nothing that technically...
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    Whilst all of this is entirely true, the problem...

    Whilst all of this is entirely true, the problem is that 99% of all clients and agencies don't want to employ the services of a contractor. They want a temporary permanent employee. Most of those...
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    I tend to go with the former. If I'm not covered...

    I tend to go with the former. If I'm not covered by a contract, I'm not on site. I'll be as helpful as I can with the client and agency, providing them with ample notice and numerous reminders...
  12. Indeed. ...

    Indeed.

    https://media.giphy.com/media/UlqLDtI8Qc0j6/giphy.gif

    I'm going to have great fun watching the world burn.
  13. Here. Let me google that for you....

    Here. Let me google that for you.

    Very first link. :facepalm:
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    I'm not entirely convinced that this is always a...

    I'm not entirely convinced that this is always a bad strategy.

    If the agent has already seen your CV, has some idea of who you are, what you've done and what skills you possess, then never...
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    Yes. For some people, it can be their whole...

    Yes. For some people, it can be their whole careers / lives.

    It's the opposite of the Dunning–Kruger effect. Those to whom impostor syndrome is a very real phenomenon are likely the very ones...
  16. I did get the sarcastic point of reinventing...

    I did get the sarcastic point of reinventing LinkedIn but I thought I'd inject some more serious words. Stack Overflow are, slow but surely but quite successfully by all accounts, slowly replacing...
  17. This may be true and not a problem when things...

    This may be true and not a problem when things are going well, but it's when things don't quite go as planned that this falls apart.

    After all, who is likely to have more liquidity and greater...
  18. Interestingly, this is exactly what Stack...

    Interestingly, this is exactly what Stack Overflow have done / are doing, albeit much more aligned to permanent staff.

    Build an online community of developers and other IT professionals who can...
  19. Do you? Do you really have a legitimate, usable...

    Do you? Do you really have a legitimate, usable RoS?
  20. But they do hold a metaphorical gun to...

    But they do hold a metaphorical gun to contractors heads to prevent them either going direct with the client or switching to another agency. This is often applied long after the original contract...
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    You're posting on a forum that's full of them.

    You're posting on a forum that's full of them.
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    Poll: This is true, and many private sector...

    This is true, and many private sector organisations were already there years ago.

    For example, within the last 5 years, I haven't been with a single client that didn't have all of their relevant...
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    Being a complete doormat. Scratching the...

    Being a complete doormat.

    Scratching the client's back whilst waiting for them to drive a knife into yours. And then apologising for staining their knife with your blood.
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    This is exactly what you said: and I,...

    This is exactly what you said:



    and I, along with others in this very thread, have told you that we've had entire career's worth of contracts for security conscious companies that have allowed...
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    Just because your own frame of reference is...

    Just because your own frame of reference is clients who seemingly still live in decades past, doesn't mean this is complete nonsense.

    There are people in this very thread telling you how thier...
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    Other than the exact reason that started off this...

    Other than the exact reason that started off this entire thread, of course! :wink
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    Bollocks to you. It is 2019, not 1975. It is...

    Bollocks to you.

    It is 2019, not 1975. It is perfectly possible to secure one's own internal IT network and systems such that there is zero threat from staff or contractors own devices.
    ...
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    Why are you using client supplied equipment? Are...

    Why are you using client supplied equipment? Are you a contractor or a permie?

    If you're a real contractor, you should be using your own equipment. Does the client supply the hammer when the...
  29. If they throw enough sh!t at the wall,...

    If they throw enough sh!t at the wall, eventually, some is bound to stick. This is standard recruiter practice. In fact, the entire industry is built upon this exact business model.
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    Hope you enjoy all that time on the bench after...

    Hope you enjoy all that time on the bench after next April.
  31. No problem, NLUK. My general point does still...

    No problem, NLUK. My general point does still stand, though. Many clients will routinely use multiple agencies for the same role(s).
  32. Easy. Because just like agents and contractors,...

    Easy. Because just like agents and contractors, many companies too like to "hedge their bets" and have multiple agents scouring the market for them. I have worked in many places that never offered...
  33. You might not like it, but there are very many...

    You might not like it, but there are very many clients who would do just that.

    Let's face it. As contractors (and even employees to an extent these days), we're merely resources. There to...
  34. You're right. It really is the best place on...

    You're right. It really is the best place on earth to be for those 3 or 4 days of continuous great weather that we get once every 5 years.
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    So you left the UK then?

    So you left the UK then?
  36. I see. That's that "sham" form of substitution,...

    I see. That's that "sham" form of substitution, right?
  37. "And why would they pay 3x - 5x the price, for...

    "And why would they pay 3x - 5x the price, for tuliptier service, just to avoid a smidge of IR35 aggro?"

    Because it's significantly easier. And that "smidge of aggro" could be very costly to the...
  38. No, but you can be easily replaced by any number...

    No, but you can be easily replaced by any number of permie-tractors that can be supplied to your clients by any one of the "Big 4" consultancies.
  39. But the "moaning permies" may well have the last...

    But the "moaning permies" may well have the last laugh. Enjoy your "earning more than them" whilst it lasts. It almost certainly won't after April 2020.

    Mwahahahaha!
  40. Hmm...

    Hmm...
  41. Thread: Predicament.

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    "Prove it's correct"? Why? Because agents...

    "Prove it's correct"? Why? Because agents think that contractors are really short-term permies? And you think that makes it correct? You agree with them?
  42. Thread: Predicament.

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    Rubbish. I only "looks a bit suss" to idiots...

    Rubbish.

    I only "looks a bit suss" to idiots who think of contractors as nothing more than temporary permies. Admittedly, most agents are like this (although their belief doesn't make it right)...
  43. As has everyone else in this thread. Many...

    As has everyone else in this thread.

    Many people have simply said something to the effect of "Just do it and bill the client for the 2 days". Fine, but this does make at least two huge...
  44. ClientCo governance and compliance obligations do...

    ClientCo governance and compliance obligations do not automatically translate to ContractorCo obligations.

    Or do you do everything the client demands of you simply because they demand it?

    The...
  45. Says the man who presented the strawman of some...

    Says the man who presented the strawman of some irrelevant Health & Safety nonsense when we're talking about a security audit.



    The pre-audit briefing is likely to either be i) some middle...
  46. You're really reaching with this and I suspect...

    You're really reaching with this and I suspect you know it. That quoted section is about employers ensuring there isn't obvious health and safety risks like loose cabling laying around where it can...
  47. Mandated by whom? Why not try this. Send a...

    Mandated by whom? Why not try this. Send a letter to your client that YourCo has mandated a rate increase of 50%. See how "mandatory" the client believes that is.



    Um. Because they're not...
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    This, of course, completely ignores the value of...

    This, of course, completely ignores the value of having a week or two of bench time and assumes that every single day of a contractors career is all about working, billing, earning.

    This is fine...
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    Again with this nonsense. What extra value...

    Again with this nonsense.

    What extra value does my gas & electricity provider deliver when they put their rates up yearly? What extra value does my internet provider deliver when they put their...
  50. This is the best answer. It is technically...

    This is the best answer. It is technically correct, the best kind of correct.
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