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  1. This cannot be a right thing. If this was right...

    This cannot be a right thing. If this was right all HMRC official who said nothing for years and all scheme providers would have been penalised the same way. This just collect what I can without...
  2. Just like everyone HMRC ensures correct PAYE is...

    Just like everyone HMRC ensures correct PAYE is deducted and employers follow rules. Here HMRC sat on tax returns for multiple years without saying a word.

    Sellers of schemes did not let have...
  3. Iliketax and HMRC should also say I like morals

    Iliketax and HMRC should also say I like morals
  4. I guess all would have settled if HMRC offered a...

    I guess all would have settled if HMRC offered a sensible opportunity. Equate all contractors to PAYE and without interest or IHT and subtract what we paid to scheme providers and it will be huge...
  5. I was planning to pay APNs and if court decides...

    I was planning to pay APNs and if court decides that we were wrong pay up. But with 2019 change has broken me. I am not going to give up to this bullying.
    So no payment to APN, appeals and will go...
  6. Poll: Agree with Douglas. Trust will have to act in...

    Agree with Douglas. Trust will have to act in your favour and HMRC will have an egg on face when going to court and saying these r not loans
  7. Shutting of cascade do not affect us in any way....

    Shutting of cascade do not affect us in any way. All are part of associations which are going to FTT and handling JR. Cascade and others had put in initial money to fight and cascade role finished at...
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    That was only for non cascade people. Anyone else...

    That was only for non cascade people. Anyone else who has been able to stop the interest? Anyone else supported more than cascade? As far as I know those who wanted to settle cascade was the only one...
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    People can say what they like but truth is that...

    People can say what they like but truth is that cascade stood and stayed on to support unlike many other who just ran away
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    Scheme promotors cannot do that unless they are...

    Scheme promotors cannot do that unless they are in bed with HMRC and do retrospective legislation.
  11. I hope more are more determined than me. I am one...

    I hope more are more determined than me. I am one of lucky ones - I can pay off all as I was able to get a good opportunity and work on 2x+ my normal day rate. When I am at work I am busy and ok. But...
  12. I get all that discussed above. But I simple...

    I get all that discussed above. But I simple question WHAT R WE DOING ABOUT IT? Sit and type on screens and join groups? That's it

    No a single soul wants to fight this come may what? As a society...
  13. I am unable to pm u. PM me please.

    I am unable to pm u. PM me please.
  14. Contemplating - Indefinite Hunger Strike against Government

    I definitely need help. But to your point I am not asking for my money back. I will PAY each and every APN and settle in terms offered.

    But now I want to demand that take the same pound of flesh...
  15. No it shouldn't be. Remember we are changing laws...

    No it shouldn't be. Remember we are changing laws retrospectively. Doesn't matter where directors were liable or not - whether they can pay or not. When they are not considering what happens to a...
  16. Agree but point here is all the people issuing...

    Agree but point here is all the people issuing loans and HMRC not saying nothing about it should also is NOT OK.

    Why only penalise the loan taker and no one else in the chain especially as we are...
  17. That's why do this only after paying all APNs. I...

    That's why do this only after paying all APNs. I am a tax evading scum who was forced to pay my share. Now get others in line as well
  18. Contemplating - Indefinite Hunger Strike against Government

    May be I am just depressed and will recover from it soon but more I think, more I feel I don't want government to get away with this. Having worked quite hard I will be able to pay whatever HMRC will...
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    Closed my eyes and will vote anything that is...

    Closed my eyes and will vote anything that is against Osborne
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    Doubt that. HMRC argument is IT is applicable ...

    Doubt that. HMRC argument is IT is applicable before you are paying into EBT. So even if u return the loan does not matter - tax experts can correct me or give more details.
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    HMRC too busy

    That's all what this is about. How dare contractors did what Google or ultra rich or Cameron parent's or osbourne's family business has been doing for decades.
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    I will everything against conservatives forever -...

    I will everything against conservatives forever - EU out, London mayor - whatever doesn't matter as long as it is against conservatives.

    The precedence which they are setting will come and bite...
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    Been that done that. It is no more about legal or...

    Been that done that. It is no more about legal or not legal - it is about whether current chancellor can be next PM or not. He wants to be and thus will do all to get money in coffers to please the...
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    100%

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  25. 2017 same time we should have decision on first...

    2017 same time we should have decision on first contract mass marketed EBT scheme from FTT. Let's hope tide on EBT and ToAA starts turning opposite to HMRC view.
  26. HMRC will not claim cost as most of litigation...

    HMRC will not claim cost as most of litigation start with the arrangement that no party will claim cost.
    Nothing is dead until it is done. But for HMRC to change stance they need to have a carrot....
  27. Doesn't matter but one way or another seems like...

    Doesn't matter but one way or another seems like courts are aligned with HMRC's view. Whatever be the reason, whether we like it or not, we need to make decision based on all the information...
  28. And HMRC won in Supreme Court against UBS and DB...

    And HMRC won in Supreme Court against UBS and DB Group today.
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    Post 2011 - Self employed - APN

    So HMRC is including tax on promoter fees as well. Anyone challenged this with any success?
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    APNs are not getting withdrawn on their own any...

    APNs are not getting withdrawn on their own any time soon. Take proper advice on how to handle this. I could have helped but I don't have that knowledge.
  31. HMRC enquiries for EBT schemes through SANZAR

    I was self employed and provided my services to X who sold my services to Y (recruitment agency) who provided services to Z (end client). If u follow the money, invoice was from Y to Z - that was Y's...
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    Increased traffic is not always a good sign - DOS!

    Increased traffic is not always a good sign - DOS!
  33. http://m.heraldscotland.com/news/14040779.Rangers_...

    http://m.heraldscotland.com/news/14040779.Rangers_oldco_liquidators_set_to_take__Big_Tax_Case__to_a_Supreme_Court_appeal/
  34. Where will/can the money come now for appeal?

    Where will/can the money come now for appeal?
  35. First to Fourth Respondents – non-participating...

    First to Fourth Respondents – non-participating parties

    So Murray group did not even responded - no QC and HMRC got easy way to impress the judges. What a **** up by 1st 4 respondents.
  36. HMRC plays this game very well. Fight state is...

    HMRC plays this game very well. Fight state is never easy.
  37. And HMRC will listen to any group once they have...

    And HMRC will listen to any group once they have decisions in their favour and APNs collected.
    HMRC will gradually find a case to use FN and will make it too expensive to not settle.
    Big group a...
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    How ever number of APNs you can always fight if U...

    How ever number of APNs you can always fight if U WANT TO! Big group and other avenues exist
  39. Fisher is due to hearing in Apr 16 - important...

    Fisher is due to hearing in Apr 16 - important decision by end of 2016
  40. And remember Scheme used by Boyle implemented...

    And remember Scheme used by Boyle implemented properly in 1990s, HMRC settled on and agreed it work. Problem with Boyles scheme was close to fraud. Currency did not existed and was artificially...
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    Read the threads and make a judgement call

    Read the threads and make a judgement call
  42. Because u think only those 90% take home are...

    Because u think only those 90% take home are getting affected. Many getting effect had less take home than limited company contractors and joined the scheme as more compliant solution.

    That said...
  43. JR - don't pin any hopes on it. Can delay your...

    JR - don't pin any hopes on it. Can delay your payment of APN but can also cause penalties

    Get your scheme case to FTT. Only way out is winning in court and if EBT scheme is correctly implement...
  44. Exactly what I have done. Brought certificate of...

    Exactly what I have done. Brought certificate of tax deposits and waiting for courts to decide. HMRC has already fallen back to ToAA from loan=income. Each fall back case becomes weaker most probably.
  45. Personally I see no benefit in settlement. Pay...

    Personally I see no benefit in settlement. Pay APN and wait for HMRC to lose in courts and get money back
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    As far as I know IHT is not due for anybody at he...

    As far as I know IHT is not due for anybody at he moment and HMRC is keeping the door open to come back for it.
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    Rangers - hearing done in Jul - decision awaited...

    Rangers - hearing done in Jul - decision awaited - court of appeal

    Fisher - hearing on 12-15 & 18 Apr 2016 - UTT

    anyone has dates for UBS, DB group and other related cases?
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    Waiting for court decisions - nothing to discuss...

    Waiting for court decisions - nothing to discuss until then.
  49. I know ingenious has nothing to do with...

    I know ingenious has nothing to do with contractor schemes but we will know what happen in case HMRC lose and some have paid APN.
  50. But if the first set of schemes win, it will be...

    But if the first set of schemes win, it will be easier for group to follow and get APN money back once precedence is set. Will only be an option for those who don't settle.
    Eagerly awaiting...
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